Paul most certainly referred to conspiracies. and referred to the identity of the Anti-Christ in 1 Thes 2:1-12 (particularly v 5). 2Th 2:5 “Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?”

According to many writers throughout history, he didn’t actually name the AC at that time but referred to the AC above because true Christians were at that time already persecuted by the beast. “Son of perdition” is only twice in the Bible, once for Judas and once for the AC, a false religious system, Catholicism and its predecessors, Mithraicism and Baal worship. Source: Prof. Walter Veith, Total Onslaught (36 DVDs) – http://amazingdiscoveries.org/webstore/us/p/200b-total-onslaught-36-dvd . Some of these are available on YouTube or VEOH.

>>>answer them with the positive truth rather than the negative denial of the lies.

“Positivism” is a global propaganda toll of the globalists to deceive people, especially Christians.

See, Erica Carle — Shaping Your Future, Whether You Like it Or Not!, Part 1 of 3
http://www.newswithviews.com/Erica/Carle21.htm

“Positive Thinker” Norman Vincent Peale was a 33rd Degree Mason as is Billy Graham. All Masons above the 30th Degree know they worship Lucifer. This is clear from Catholic, Freemason and other writings. Source: Prof. Walter Veith (see above).

I didn’t come here to fight with you but you need to broaden your research to conclude facts about real ongoing conspiracies.

I don’t see where Paul got caught up in sniffing out the conspiracies in Nero’s administration or Jesus went for disclosing the truth about Herod. (He did rail against the religious leaders among the Jews however.) Rather, by their pattern we should understand it to be more fruitful and biblical to proclaim the gospel positively (what we truly believe rather than what we don’t believe) and let God take care of the political conspiracies. He has a way with that.

As for the fallout from the conspiracies when heresies come into the church, John’s example in his first letter when he answered the lies of the gnostics was to do the same and answer them with the positive truth rather than the negative denial of the lies. That’s how to answer in such a way that people recognize that you speak with biblical authority. Try that. It’s more effective.

I was using your own language language in what I could construe could be its most biblical sense for you wrote earlier:

“We should offer forgiveness to others in the same manner…when they repent.”

But you completely ignored my central point and go on as though I believe something I do not, namely that there is forgiveness without repentance. That’s not the issue. Try again.

Some who push Unconditional Forgiveness are just deceived. Others are Transformational Marxist Change Agents for the New World Order and should repent.

To “offer forgiveness” is not Biblical. We are commanded to forgive “as” (Grk: “just as”) Christ forgave. Col 3:13 Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: *even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye.* God didn’t “offer forgiveness” to the people before The Flood, or before he destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah. He just warned them to repent or else suffer the consequences.

It is incorrect that we cannot be offended. Jesus said we could be. We are to crucify our own flesh and not allow ourselves to become bitter. The way to not become bitter is TO REBUKE. NO ONE DOES THAT. Pastor Schlamp said in his lifetime NO ONE has obeyed Jesus’ command in Mt 18 below because people refuse to rebuke and no one takes a dispute to the church. They instead TOLERATE sin and smile which is hypocrisy and in effect says there is no price to pay for sin, thus diminishing the impact and power of the gospel. This is seen clearly where Christians “forgive” mass murderers and so forth because that is not biblical forgiveness.

Mt 18:15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.

A picture: A farmer says he will pay a man $50 to mow his field. If a man accepts and does it, he gets paid. If he walks away he won’t get paid. Atonement is the same. It is on the table for anyone who will repent and receive Christ’s forgiveness by faith. Repentance is an integral part in coming to Christ and being forgiven. So it must be before we forgive others. It is those who keep the commandments who receive the positive promises, not those who are hearers only.

Forgiveness without repentance is heresy. It is also ineffective. I stand ready to forgive anyone who repents and I am not bitter. God wants separation between the righteous and the unrighteous and some offenses cause division just as Jesus said.

Lu 12:51 Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; *but rather division:*

Tit 3:10 A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition **reject;**
11 Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.

Reject (Grk paraiteomai) means “to beg off, i.e. deprecate, decline, shun:–avoid, (make) excuse, intreat, refuse, reject.”

We are not excused by Grace. We have to do our part. Confession of sin and Repentance are essential to receiving Forgiveness. Absent either of those, Forgiveness should never be granted. That is how Christ forgave us.

But this is askew of my original point that our forgiveness is not after the same manner of God’s. We are not the originators of moral law, but only the benefactors of it. Therefore, when someone sins against us, it is God they transgress. We may act out eventual offerings of forgiveness when others deny the benefits that God would have them give us by following His moral law, but in reality, since we have likewise transgressed God’s law we must be ready to offer forgiveness at all times because of the forgiveness given to us by the cross of Christ.

Cheap grace is the preaching of forgiveness without requiring repentance, baptism without church discipline, Communion without confession, absolution without personal confession. ~Dietrich Bonhoeffer

“The chief danger of the 20th century will be religion without the Holy Ghost, Christianity without Christ, forgiveness without repentance, salvation without regeneration, politics without God, and Heaven without Hell.” – William Boothe (Apr. 10, 1829-Aug. 20, 1912), founder Salvation Army.

“We are so loving and so kind and so forgiving that the children’s sense of justice is distorted and in the end it breeds rebellion.”

“Forgiveness is one of the most misunderstood subjects in all of Christendom.”

“Unconditional forgiveness is worse than Catholicism’s sale of indulgences.”

– from Forgiveness: Will that be One Goat or Two?

See thread on this subject here, particularly posts #8 and #9: http://www.ausdisciples.com.au/forum/showthread.php?535-Blanket-Forgiveness-of-the-Unrepentant-is-False-Doctrine

Post #9 refers to Rev. Phil Schlamp’s 10 part series Forgiveness, Will that be One Goat or Two? and answers many of the questions set forth on this page.