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	<title>Comments on: Charles Finney, Cooperation, and the GCR</title>
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		<title>By: David Dockery on the Great Commission Resurgence &#171; owen strachan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Dockery on the Great Commission Resurgence &#171; owen strachan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 18:58:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] from Timmy Brister on the future of the SBC: http://timmybrister.com/2009/11/17/charles-finney-cooperation-and-the-gcr/ Possibly related posts: (automatically generated)The Link 6.5.09: Teaching Writing, The Great [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] from Timmy Brister on the future of the SBC: <a href="http://timmybrister.com/2009/11/17/charles-finney-cooperation-and-the-gcr/" rel="nofollow">http://timmybrister.com/2009/11/17/charles-finney-cooperation-and-the-gcr/</a> Possibly related posts: (automatically generated)The Link 6.5.09: Teaching Writing, The Great [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Charles Finney, Cooperation, and the GCR &#171;</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Charles Finney, Cooperation, and the GCR &#171;]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 18:28:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Finney, Cooperation, and the&#160;GCR  Posted on December 7, 2009 by theexpositor   from Timmy Brister.com- Questions regarding the extent of the atonement, predestination, and the like I agree are [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Greg Alford</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Alford]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 22:27:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Timmy,

You said... &lt;i&gt;&quot;I think we can all agree that salvation is the work of God, not man, though man is responsible.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

I often hear this comment, or something similar, and while this statement is true I have found that when dealing with the doctrine of salvation a statement like this can often muddy the water for those on both sides of the debate and lead to confusion about just what it is we are saying.

Now, before I get into hot water with you over posting this let me just say that I am not looking for a theological squabble, I am pretty sure you can best me in just about any debate, and besides you and I from the same theological camp.  No, want I want to do is pick your sharp theological mind just a little bit by asking the question; &lt;i&gt;&quot;What exactly is it that the Scriptures teach concerning man’s responsibility?”&lt;/i&gt;  

How one answers this question sheds a great deal of light upon their understanding of salvation and what they hear when someone says &lt;i&gt;“Salvation is the work of God, not man, though man is responsible.”&lt;/i&gt;

Grace Always,
Greg]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Timmy,</p>
<p>You said&#8230; <i>&#8220;I think we can all agree that salvation is the work of God, not man, though man is responsible.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>I often hear this comment, or something similar, and while this statement is true I have found that when dealing with the doctrine of salvation a statement like this can often muddy the water for those on both sides of the debate and lead to confusion about just what it is we are saying.</p>
<p>Now, before I get into hot water with you over posting this let me just say that I am not looking for a theological squabble, I am pretty sure you can best me in just about any debate, and besides you and I from the same theological camp.  No, want I want to do is pick your sharp theological mind just a little bit by asking the question; <i>&#8220;What exactly is it that the Scriptures teach concerning man’s responsibility?”</i>  </p>
<p>How one answers this question sheds a great deal of light upon their understanding of salvation and what they hear when someone says <i>“Salvation is the work of God, not man, though man is responsible.”</i></p>
<p>Grace Always,<br />
Greg</p>
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		<title>By: mattcapps</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 15:05:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good thoughts Tim.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good thoughts Tim.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Cross</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alan Cross]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 22:53:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Amen! Absolutely right. And with a focus on Christ and a God-centered gospel, we can all work together, I would think. I emphasized &quot;God-centered&quot; gospel there, because even if you are not a Calvinist, you can agree that God is the initiator in salvation and we are to simply respond, meaning that all of the focus is to be on Him and His glory.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen! Absolutely right. And with a focus on Christ and a God-centered gospel, we can all work together, I would think. I emphasized &#8220;God-centered&#8221; gospel there, because even if you are not a Calvinist, you can agree that God is the initiator in salvation and we are to simply respond, meaning that all of the focus is to be on Him and His glory.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Hicks</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 15:55:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks Tim!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Tim!</p>
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		<title>By: cooperation &#171; Interstitial</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 13:47:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...]  Posted on November 18, 2009 by bkingr   Timmy Brister posted an extended discourse yesterday on cooperation between Calvinists and Arminians that is well worth your [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Greg Bailey</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 12:37:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree Timmy.  Our Brothers cannot define themselves simply be saying &quot;I am not like you.&quot;  &quot;Where are you not like us?&quot;  
A weakness of the &quot;reformation of SEBTS&quot; when I was there (96-00) was that Finney was celebrated for his fire and methods of evangelism, but no one openly challenged his theology and ideas of the gospel but for a few students who were reading those nasty Banner of Truth, Sprinkle Pubs and Founders books. 
I hope that has changed greatly.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree Timmy.  Our Brothers cannot define themselves simply be saying &#8220;I am not like you.&#8221;  &#8220;Where are you not like us?&#8221;<br />
A weakness of the &#8220;reformation of SEBTS&#8221; when I was there (96-00) was that Finney was celebrated for his fire and methods of evangelism, but no one openly challenged his theology and ideas of the gospel but for a few students who were reading those nasty Banner of Truth, Sprinkle Pubs and Founders books.<br />
I hope that has changed greatly.</p>
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		<title>By: Timmy Brister</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Timmy Brister]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 04:46:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Alan,

Thanks for your comment.  I would not disagree with anything you said.  Having a God-centered vision and trajectory to your philosophy of ministry and practice is crucial.  I think both Calvinist and &quot;non-Calvinist&quot; can agree on that.  I think we can all agree that salvation is the work of God, not man, though man is responsible.

I have said it several times in the past, but I believe the greatest need in the SBC is the recovery of the gospel, and by that I am not talking about the five points of Calvinism.  We need the gospel to animate our churches, define our ministries, and drive our lives on mission.  I hope that in my generation the gospel-centered passion for life and ministry in the local church would be something that could bring a consensus and renewal for greater cooperation and kingdom impact for years to come.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alan,</p>
<p>Thanks for your comment.  I would not disagree with anything you said.  Having a God-centered vision and trajectory to your philosophy of ministry and practice is crucial.  I think both Calvinist and &#8220;non-Calvinist&#8221; can agree on that.  I think we can all agree that salvation is the work of God, not man, though man is responsible.</p>
<p>I have said it several times in the past, but I believe the greatest need in the SBC is the recovery of the gospel, and by that I am not talking about the five points of Calvinism.  We need the gospel to animate our churches, define our ministries, and drive our lives on mission.  I hope that in my generation the gospel-centered passion for life and ministry in the local church would be something that could bring a consensus and renewal for greater cooperation and kingdom impact for years to come.</p>
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		<title>By: Timmy Brister</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Timmy Brister]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 04:41:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tom,

To answer your question, I would say that matters related to the nature/essence of the gospel and what it means to be a Christian are first-level, primary doctrines.  If you were to give them up or not have them, you would not be a Christian.

Second-tier or secondary issues are not non-essential doctrines as some have attempted to argue but rather matters where Christians can disagree on, usually on an ecclesiological level (such as mode of baptism).  In other words, Christians can disagree and still be Christian but not Baptist. 

Tertiary issues or those on the third-tier are doctrines that are within a confessional framework or denominational identity that people can disagree on.  Those in your Sunday School class may disagree on certain eschatological issues such as the pre, a, or post regarding the millennial, or infra, subla, or supra lapsarianism.  

That&#039;s how I would breakdown the theological triage.  It is a helpful, though not perfect, theological tool to differentiate matters &quot;of first importance&quot; as Paul would explain in 1 Cor. 15 versus eating meat.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom,</p>
<p>To answer your question, I would say that matters related to the nature/essence of the gospel and what it means to be a Christian are first-level, primary doctrines.  If you were to give them up or not have them, you would not be a Christian.</p>
<p>Second-tier or secondary issues are not non-essential doctrines as some have attempted to argue but rather matters where Christians can disagree on, usually on an ecclesiological level (such as mode of baptism).  In other words, Christians can disagree and still be Christian but not Baptist. </p>
<p>Tertiary issues or those on the third-tier are doctrines that are within a confessional framework or denominational identity that people can disagree on.  Those in your Sunday School class may disagree on certain eschatological issues such as the pre, a, or post regarding the millennial, or infra, subla, or supra lapsarianism.  </p>
<p>That&#8217;s how I would breakdown the theological triage.  It is a helpful, though not perfect, theological tool to differentiate matters &#8220;of first importance&#8221; as Paul would explain in 1 Cor. 15 versus eating meat.</p>
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