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	<title>Comments on: Acts 29, State Conventions, and Acts 1:11 Conference</title>
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		<title>By: Hutch</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hutch]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 05:00:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The SBTC had 889 messengers and 423 this year. Of course, the meeting was in Lubbock which may have depressed attendance by a few hundred.  Still, that means that there were only 2,382 at the two state conventions COMBINED - nearly 1,000 less than than the BGCT alone in 2002.  From what I have heard, the audience is largely old people at both state convention meetings.  The BGCT has declined partially because it moved away from the SBC, causing many churches to flee to the SBTC.  But the BGCT has also declined simply because state conventions are becoming increasingly irrelevant.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The SBTC had 889 messengers and 423 this year. Of course, the meeting was in Lubbock which may have depressed attendance by a few hundred.  Still, that means that there were only 2,382 at the two state conventions COMBINED &#8211; nearly 1,000 less than than the BGCT alone in 2002.  From what I have heard, the audience is largely old people at both state convention meetings.  The BGCT has declined partially because it moved away from the SBC, causing many churches to flee to the SBTC.  But the BGCT has also declined simply because state conventions are becoming increasingly irrelevant.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Harwood</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Adam Harwood]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 03:18:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Frequent reader but rare post-er.

Thought it might be helpful to mention that TX is one of the few states in the nation with two state conventions. Although still on the decline, the reality is not as bad as Hutch&#039;s figures suggest. The other convention, the SBT, has grown every year for its 11 years of existence.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frequent reader but rare post-er.</p>
<p>Thought it might be helpful to mention that TX is one of the few states in the nation with two state conventions. Although still on the decline, the reality is not as bad as Hutch&#8217;s figures suggest. The other convention, the SBT, has grown every year for its 11 years of existence.</p>
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		<title>By: Hutch</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hutch]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 23:19:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Baptist Standard of Texas had some interesting numbers on the BGCT annual meetings that demonstrate the decline of state conventions:

the Houston annual meeting itself drew only 1,493 elected messengers and 626 registered guests, down from the 1,891 at the 2008 meeting in Fort Worth and the least number since 1,667 attended the 1949 meeting in El Paso. While the messenger count for several years in the 1930s and 1940s was not available, the lowest participation on record was 1,445 in 1937.

In contrast, the largest meeting in BGCT history—the 1991 annual meeting in Waco, when the convention was dealing with controversy surrounding a charter change for Baylor University—drew 11,159. Excluding that year, the average number of messengers at annual meetings in the 1990s was 5,941.

After the 2000 annual meeting in Corpus Christi, which drew 6,713 messengers, the numbers dropped to 3,317 in 2001 and 3,327 in 2002.  The convention hasn’t reached reached the 3,000-messenger level since then, and the numbers have declined every year since 2004.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Baptist Standard of Texas had some interesting numbers on the BGCT annual meetings that demonstrate the decline of state conventions:</p>
<p>the Houston annual meeting itself drew only 1,493 elected messengers and 626 registered guests, down from the 1,891 at the 2008 meeting in Fort Worth and the least number since 1,667 attended the 1949 meeting in El Paso. While the messenger count for several years in the 1930s and 1940s was not available, the lowest participation on record was 1,445 in 1937.</p>
<p>In contrast, the largest meeting in BGCT history—the 1991 annual meeting in Waco, when the convention was dealing with controversy surrounding a charter change for Baylor University—drew 11,159. Excluding that year, the average number of messengers at annual meetings in the 1990s was 5,941.</p>
<p>After the 2000 annual meeting in Corpus Christi, which drew 6,713 messengers, the numbers dropped to 3,317 in 2001 and 3,327 in 2002.  The convention hasn’t reached reached the 3,000-messenger level since then, and the numbers have declined every year since 2004.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Alford</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Alford]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 14:49:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jacob,
You mention three things that I want to note:
1)  You say your professor at New Orleans Baptist Theological Seminary used the offer of 3 credit hours to those who would attend this seminar to entice you to go.  I do not blame you for taking advantage of this opportunity, but unless this is the normal practice of the Seminary, and is open to a wide diversity of seminars of differing theological positions, it smells of someone using their position at NOBTS to the questionable support and possible financial gain of a friend???  We can only imagine the outcry that would erupt if Southern Seminary offered credit hours for those attending the Founders conference each year, or if Southeastern Seminary offered credit hours for those attending the Building Bridges conference.  
2)  Peter Lumpkins mischaracterized your words.  Really???  …Now there a surprise for “No one”. 
3)  Ergun Caner made offensive, baseless, and wild assertations… Ergun Caner falsely represented the theological position of others…  “No Way… I don’t believe it!” &lt;i&gt; (Sarcasm intended)&lt;/i&gt;
Grace Always,
Greg]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jacob,<br />
You mention three things that I want to note:<br />
1)  You say your professor at New Orleans Baptist Theological Seminary used the offer of 3 credit hours to those who would attend this seminar to entice you to go.  I do not blame you for taking advantage of this opportunity, but unless this is the normal practice of the Seminary, and is open to a wide diversity of seminars of differing theological positions, it smells of someone using their position at NOBTS to the questionable support and possible financial gain of a friend???  We can only imagine the outcry that would erupt if Southern Seminary offered credit hours for those attending the Founders conference each year, or if Southeastern Seminary offered credit hours for those attending the Building Bridges conference.<br />
2)  Peter Lumpkins mischaracterized your words.  Really???  …Now there a surprise for “No one”.<br />
3)  Ergun Caner made offensive, baseless, and wild assertations… Ergun Caner falsely represented the theological position of others…  “No Way… I don’t believe it!” <i> (Sarcasm intended)</i><br />
Grace Always,<br />
Greg</p>
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		<title>By: Kenan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kenan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 22:32:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Some of us are not premill.  I&#039;m a Southern Baptist who&#039;s reformed amill.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some of us are not premill.  I&#8217;m a Southern Baptist who&#8217;s reformed amill.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob Hall</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jacob Hall]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 21:39:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A couple of points of clarification.  I originally said Historic, I mispoke, the position held by and advocated by the speakers is Dispensational Premillinialist. 

Also, Peter Lumpkins referenced my comments on his blog, and links to this blog.  Since I am blocked on his, i wish to clarify his mischaracterizing my words.  I never stated I &quot;had&quot; to be at Acts 1:11.  I said that I was taking it to help finish my degree sooner.  There is a difference between having to do something, and being opportunistic.  

I also hold no ill will towards Jerry Vines or Jerry Vines Ministries.  Dr. Vines and I had the chance to speak during breakfast about my education and how thankful I was for his SBC leadership, and that I appreciated the chance to attend the conference.  However, I make no excuse for the fact that I would not have attended had it not been for the class and 3 hours credit.

As a wrap up to the conference, Most of the men were hospitable and friendly to other view points.  

The only man at the conference who needs to clarify his statements (and probably apologize for them) is Ergun Caner.  His wild claims and assertations are without base.  I heard several people state that they were Premill Pre-trib and were offended by his false representation of the AMill camp.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A couple of points of clarification.  I originally said Historic, I mispoke, the position held by and advocated by the speakers is Dispensational Premillinialist. </p>
<p>Also, Peter Lumpkins referenced my comments on his blog, and links to this blog.  Since I am blocked on his, i wish to clarify his mischaracterizing my words.  I never stated I &#8220;had&#8221; to be at Acts 1:11.  I said that I was taking it to help finish my degree sooner.  There is a difference between having to do something, and being opportunistic.  </p>
<p>I also hold no ill will towards Jerry Vines or Jerry Vines Ministries.  Dr. Vines and I had the chance to speak during breakfast about my education and how thankful I was for his SBC leadership, and that I appreciated the chance to attend the conference.  However, I make no excuse for the fact that I would not have attended had it not been for the class and 3 hours credit.</p>
<p>As a wrap up to the conference, Most of the men were hospitable and friendly to other view points.  </p>
<p>The only man at the conference who needs to clarify his statements (and probably apologize for them) is Ergun Caner.  His wild claims and assertations are without base.  I heard several people state that they were Premill Pre-trib and were offended by his false representation of the AMill camp.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank!</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Frank!]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 10:06:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What I mena to say is, that because they are young and Reformed, it becomes yet another barrier for them to cross. Sorry for the mix up. My notes should be up tomorrow if anyone is interested.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I mena to say is, that because they are young and Reformed, it becomes yet another barrier for them to cross. Sorry for the mix up. My notes should be up tomorrow if anyone is interested.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Alford</title>
		<link>http://timmybrister.com/2009/11/12/acts-29-state-conventions-and-acts-111-conference/#comment-41859</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Alford]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 17:15:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Frank,

&lt;i&gt;&quot;I don’t htink it helps that lot of these new younger church planters and pastors are Reformed.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Please explaine???]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frank,</p>
<p><i>&#8220;I don’t htink it helps that lot of these new younger church planters and pastors are Reformed.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Please explaine???</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Alford</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Alford]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 17:01:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jacob,

I knew it was to good to be true... :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jacob,</p>
<p>I knew it was to good to be true&#8230; <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Timmy Brister</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Timmy Brister]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 16:26:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jeremy,

Well, I don&#039;t know what to tell you exactly.  You will likely hear the culture warriors during the resolutions time (anti-alcohol, gambling, etc.), a debate over the Great Commission Resurgence Task Force (GCRTF) and perhaps an apologetic that we do not need to change structures but stay the same but only do more (the problems are spiritual, not structural talking point). 

The best way to make the most of these meetings is to connect with folks and network with them.  Find pastors or the remnants of those under 40 and have dinner together.  Create a forum where there can be candid conversation where differing perspectives can be shared and respected though not everyone will agree.  See if you can connect with men like David Platt, Buddy Gray, and Al Jackson especially who are, IMO, the biggest influencers in AL right now.  They are all great men whom I&#039;ve come to love and appreciate personally. 

Other than that, don&#039;t get discouraged by the flashes of fundamentalism or cheers of triumphalism.  Pay close attention to how the CP is explained, how and where money is spent (and percentages), and observe from the kind of people attending as well as the subjects being discussed what the direction of the state convention is heading.  There are some state conventions that are poised to do some great things because of their desire for reform and transparency.  I&#039;m not sure that ABSC is one of them. 

Have fun, and send my love and regards to Kizzie.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeremy,</p>
<p>Well, I don&#8217;t know what to tell you exactly.  You will likely hear the culture warriors during the resolutions time (anti-alcohol, gambling, etc.), a debate over the Great Commission Resurgence Task Force (GCRTF) and perhaps an apologetic that we do not need to change structures but stay the same but only do more (the problems are spiritual, not structural talking point). </p>
<p>The best way to make the most of these meetings is to connect with folks and network with them.  Find pastors or the remnants of those under 40 and have dinner together.  Create a forum where there can be candid conversation where differing perspectives can be shared and respected though not everyone will agree.  See if you can connect with men like David Platt, Buddy Gray, and Al Jackson especially who are, IMO, the biggest influencers in AL right now.  They are all great men whom I&#8217;ve come to love and appreciate personally. </p>
<p>Other than that, don&#8217;t get discouraged by the flashes of fundamentalism or cheers of triumphalism.  Pay close attention to how the CP is explained, how and where money is spent (and percentages), and observe from the kind of people attending as well as the subjects being discussed what the direction of the state convention is heading.  There are some state conventions that are poised to do some great things because of their desire for reform and transparency.  I&#8217;m not sure that ABSC is one of them. </p>
<p>Have fun, and send my love and regards to Kizzie.</p>
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