You are a faithful apologist for your friends. I respect your loyalty to them. I disagree with their vision, period. This isn’t about “accusations” and “allegations.” I do not accept their version of the future of the SBC, and I have stated that plainly. You are bringing to this discussion your history of debates on this topic–debates of which I have not participated. Your friends preach Jesus? Great! Blog about that. Thanks.

I’m not giving you proof of things I didn’t say. Who called anyone a Landmarkist? When did I call anyone a Landmarker? Why would I apologize for something I have neither said or thought?

Are the BI guys for the GCR? I don’t know. I read what they ARE for and I have responded to that.

I do not think that these guys are anti-Jesus or anti-gospel. I never said any such thing. I know that they love Jesus. I said such. Why are you defending them against things unsaid?

David, you have accused me of lying, yet your own comments are full of false accusations that cannot be substantiated. All that I have said is that our ecclesiology as Baptists is not synonomous with the gospel. I have accused no one of not loving Jesus or of being a Landmarker. Either your reading comprehension skills are very poor or you yourself are lying.

I choose to believe the best and assume that you are just mistaken.

I’m still waiting on proof…evidence….on the allegations and accusations that were made about the BI guys being Landmarkists. They’re not. I know they’re not. Thus, Timmy and Alan, will yall apologize for saying such.

Secondly, where’s the proof…evidence…that the BI guys are not for the Great Commission Resurgence. They are for it. They’ve been for it for a long time. Just check out the date on Jeremy Green’s resolution at the state convention in Texas. And, there’s more….if you’ll check it out.

Thirdly, Jesus and the Gospel is at the heart of what these men do. They preach Jesus. They share the Gospel with lost people. They preach the Gospel from their pulpits. They do what they do in order to be obedient to the Lord Jesus.

Please proof to me and others out there different.

David

I have not lied. I am being neither spiteful nor divisive nor am I slandering. Reread my comment. I never said that you or the BI guys do not love Jesus or preach Him. I said that there is far more talk on BI blogs about Baptist distinctives than there is about Jesus and the gospel. That is not a lie. That is absolute truth.

I even gave you guys the benefit of the doubt that this could be occurring because Jesus and the gospel are assumed as being a given. Fair enough. But, that becomes a problem when we are dealing with these kinds of controversies. No matter how much we want to make it so, we cannot freely interchange Jesus and the gospel with “Baptist Identity” or “Baptist Distinctives.” That is my point. Some are trying to do that and I believe it to be a mistake.

I am sorry if that offends you. Yes, I do agree with Timmy’s post and I think that the BI guys are in error on this point. I have said so on SBC Today. No one there would be surprised to know that I think that they are in error. But, I also consider them to be brothers and am glad that they are Southern Baptists. I would be happy to minister with them anywhere and think more of them personally and of their love for Christ than many that I agree with far more often on some of these issues.

Don’t make this what it is not, David.

If I am an aggressive, militant, extreme, hyper whatever, then I would not have allowed one comment of yours to be published on my blog. You neither know me personally nor have any personal knowledge of my ministry. If there is anyone who has been dogged and agressive in the comments here, it is you, sir. I am not going to play tit for tat with you, nor do I feel it incumbent upon me to answer every question you present. You are on my front yard, and I have opened the door. You are welcome to leave any time you’d like. But if you choose to stay around, I’d appreciate it if you showed the same hospitality and respect that they do on the hills of Tennessee.

Yes, I do consider you to an aggresive, extreme, five point Calvinist…as are a lot of Founder’s types. I do admire your walk with God. I appreciate the strong stand that yall take on the Bible. I love yall in the Lord. But, I believe that it was Dr. Akin that coined the term “Aggressive Calvinist” to describe the five pointers out there who are set on converting Christians and Churches and the SBC to the five points. I had always called yall extreme Calvinists, or even militant Calvinists. I mean, I know that yall are not hyper-Calvinists, but I was trying to come up with a term that fit the Founders crowd. So, aggressive, extreme five pointers seemed to fit.

But, that doesnt mean that I dont appreciate you fellas and your walk with God.

David

PS. I get along fine with regular ole five pointers. Just ask Scott Gordon.

David

I have nothing to do with SBC Today. I am friends with Robin and Wes and Scott Gordon, but I’m not a part of SBC Today. What they do is up to them. It’s their blog.

But, I am talking with Timmy over here about his misinformed allegations? or, intentional misrepresentations? about him throwing out these accusations without any proof whatsoever.

Jimmy, does that bother you?

David