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	<title>Comments on: My Take on Baptist Press Throwing Mark Driscoll Under the Bus</title>
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		<title>By: Peaches</title>
		<link>http://timmybrister.com/2009/02/12/my-take-on-baptist-press-throwing-mark-driscoll-under-the-bus/#comment-44249</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Peaches]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Feb 2011 22:19:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s been a couple of years since this post was first written and since the SBC controversy about MD.  What has history taught us in this time. 
The SBC continues to struggle with the Baptist Cardnials and the BI folk leading the way.
MD&#039;s ministry is honoring God. 
MD is still not perfect but is  contiuing to grow as a minister and leader.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s been a couple of years since this post was first written and since the SBC controversy about MD.  What has history taught us in this time.<br />
The SBC continues to struggle with the Baptist Cardnials and the BI folk leading the way.<br />
MD&#8217;s ministry is honoring God.<br />
MD is still not perfect but is  contiuing to grow as a minister and leader.</p>
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		<title>By: Druedea</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Druedea]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 01:23:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I first learned what a bad guy Driscoll was after Phil Johnson lumped him with all the heretical sex obsessed preachers who preach from a bed in their P.J&#039;s and Pornified preachers.  I investigated on my own through the podcasts on itunes.  What I found was shocking to say the least.  I LOVED every sermon.  I have downloaded over 70 sermons and have been challenged in my faith and obedience and have a deeper desire to understand the doctrines of our faith than in recent years.  Praise God for Driscoll.  He is edgy and not for my mom &amp; dad&#039;s taste in preaching.  But the strong biblical content and uncompromising word is unarguable.  Keep praying that God&#039;s hand will remain upon him.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I first learned what a bad guy Driscoll was after Phil Johnson lumped him with all the heretical sex obsessed preachers who preach from a bed in their P.J&#8217;s and Pornified preachers.  I investigated on my own through the podcasts on itunes.  What I found was shocking to say the least.  I LOVED every sermon.  I have downloaded over 70 sermons and have been challenged in my faith and obedience and have a deeper desire to understand the doctrines of our faith than in recent years.  Praise God for Driscoll.  He is edgy and not for my mom &amp; dad&#8217;s taste in preaching.  But the strong biblical content and uncompromising word is unarguable.  Keep praying that God&#8217;s hand will remain upon him.</p>
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		<title>By: Dust up over Baptist Press Article on Mark Driscoll</title>
		<link>http://timmybrister.com/2009/02/12/my-take-on-baptist-press-throwing-mark-driscoll-under-the-bus/#comment-40002</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dust up over Baptist Press Article on Mark Driscoll]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 16:45:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] might want to read the article from Tim Brister that is referenced by the article posted above.  My Take on Baptist Press Throwing Mark Driscoll Under the Bus Provocations &amp; Pantings  Some of you on this board are some of the most grace-LESS people I&#039;ve ever seen when it comes to [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] might want to read the article from Tim Brister that is referenced by the article posted above.  My Take on Baptist Press Throwing Mark Driscoll Under the Bus Provocations &amp; Pantings  Some of you on this board are some of the most grace-LESS people I&#8217;ve ever seen when it comes to [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Visitors Not Welcome?- Further SBC Divide Over Driscoll Following Propaganda Piece &#171; &#8220;For the time that is past suffices&#8230;&#8221;</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 23:02:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] conference featuring Driscoll, as well as their continuing relationship with his ministry. Timmy Brister also sees this as an attempt at undermining Driscoll&#8217;s influence on young SBCer&#8217;s by [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] conference featuring Driscoll, as well as their continuing relationship with his ministry. Timmy Brister also sees this as an attempt at undermining Driscoll&#8217;s influence on young SBCer&#8217;s by [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Fontenot</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ryan Fontenot]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 15:31:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the post.  I am a SEBTS DMin student and could not be more proud of Dr. Akin and our seminary&#039;s work in taking the gospel to the culture.  Thank you as well for this informed piece that brings to light the reality of Driscoll and his heart for Jesus and His gospel.  Though he does not need any defense, thank you for standing alongside of a brother who has repented and is having his sin rubbed in his face all over again.  Soli Deo Gloria!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the post.  I am a SEBTS DMin student and could not be more proud of Dr. Akin and our seminary&#8217;s work in taking the gospel to the culture.  Thank you as well for this informed piece that brings to light the reality of Driscoll and his heart for Jesus and His gospel.  Though he does not need any defense, thank you for standing alongside of a brother who has repented and is having his sin rubbed in his face all over again.  Soli Deo Gloria!</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 18:50:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Reading through these comments, I have to completely agree with Brendt.  So, I won’t repeat what he’s already well pointed out.  But, just for fun, I would be willing to bet that those coming to negative conclusions about Driscoll’s ministry have never heard his sermons first-hand.  Am I right?  Anyone who has heard his sermons, for themselves, with their own ears, will come away knowing that Jesus is the main thing at Mars Hill.  There’s no question about what it means to follow Christ, what the Bible says about who is and who isn’t going to heaven or hell, and why.  It’s there and it’s clear.  Praise the Lord for clear, bold, educated, discerning men like Mark Driscoll in a world of relativism and pluralism, and mega churches and “Christian” book stores filled with health/wealth/prosperity gospels and other watered-down gospels.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reading through these comments, I have to completely agree with Brendt.  So, I won’t repeat what he’s already well pointed out.  But, just for fun, I would be willing to bet that those coming to negative conclusions about Driscoll’s ministry have never heard his sermons first-hand.  Am I right?  Anyone who has heard his sermons, for themselves, with their own ears, will come away knowing that Jesus is the main thing at Mars Hill.  There’s no question about what it means to follow Christ, what the Bible says about who is and who isn’t going to heaven or hell, and why.  It’s there and it’s clear.  Praise the Lord for clear, bold, educated, discerning men like Mark Driscoll in a world of relativism and pluralism, and mega churches and “Christian” book stores filled with health/wealth/prosperity gospels and other watered-down gospels.</p>
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		<title>By: Brendt Waters</title>
		<link>http://timmybrister.com/2009/02/12/my-take-on-baptist-press-throwing-mark-driscoll-under-the-bus/#comment-39648</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brendt Waters]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 15:03:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Morgan, I hear you, but I would argue that it&#039;s not Mark who&#039;s changing the definition of &quot;fundamentalist&quot;, but rather those to whom he is really referring. They hijacked the term before Mark was even born.

I grew up in a &quot;fundamentalist&quot; atmosphere (in the Pharisee sense) and was so poisoned by it, that it&#039;s been decades since I self-identified as a &quot;fundamentalist&quot;, and probably wouldn&#039;t today even if you put a gun to my head.

While it&#039;s true that &quot;many who identify themselves as fundamentalists are genuine followers of Jesus&quot;, that many is either not very vocal or in the vast minority. And the more vocal and/or majority need to be addressed.

Think of it in the shepherd/sheep model. The people (sheep) to whom Mark (shepherd) is ministering -- specifically those at Mars Hill for whom he has direct responsibility -- are often the kind of people that &quot;fundamentalism&quot; (in the Pharisee sense) targets. When a lion or a bear threatened David&#039;s flock, he KILLED the lion or bear.

David &lt;b&gt;killed&lt;/b&gt; to protect a dumb animal.

Mark &lt;b&gt;criticizes&lt;/b&gt; those who are trying to drag people with them to &lt;b&gt;hell&lt;/b&gt;. (Matthew 23:15)

Frankly, the Pharisees are getting off lightly. ;-)

The key is that God knows your heart, that you are one of the good fundamentalists, and He can distinguish that there is such a thing. Although I can&#039;t read Mark&#039;s heart, I would venture a guess that he knows that there is such a thing also, and isn&#039;t critizing &lt;b&gt;all&lt;/b&gt; fundamentalists. But if he took the time to distinguish in his teaching, his messages would be even &lt;b&gt;longer&lt;/b&gt;.  ;-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Morgan, I hear you, but I would argue that it&#8217;s not Mark who&#8217;s changing the definition of &#8220;fundamentalist&#8221;, but rather those to whom he is really referring. They hijacked the term before Mark was even born.</p>
<p>I grew up in a &#8220;fundamentalist&#8221; atmosphere (in the Pharisee sense) and was so poisoned by it, that it&#8217;s been decades since I self-identified as a &#8220;fundamentalist&#8221;, and probably wouldn&#8217;t today even if you put a gun to my head.</p>
<p>While it&#8217;s true that &#8220;many who identify themselves as fundamentalists are genuine followers of Jesus&#8221;, that many is either not very vocal or in the vast minority. And the more vocal and/or majority need to be addressed.</p>
<p>Think of it in the shepherd/sheep model. The people (sheep) to whom Mark (shepherd) is ministering &#8212; specifically those at Mars Hill for whom he has direct responsibility &#8212; are often the kind of people that &#8220;fundamentalism&#8221; (in the Pharisee sense) targets. When a lion or a bear threatened David&#8217;s flock, he KILLED the lion or bear.</p>
<p>David <b>killed</b> to protect a dumb animal.</p>
<p>Mark <b>criticizes</b> those who are trying to drag people with them to <b>hell</b>. (Matthew 23:15)</p>
<p>Frankly, the Pharisees are getting off lightly. <img src='http://s1.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>The key is that God knows your heart, that you are one of the good fundamentalists, and He can distinguish that there is such a thing. Although I can&#8217;t read Mark&#8217;s heart, I would venture a guess that he knows that there is such a thing also, and isn&#8217;t critizing <b>all</b> fundamentalists. But if he took the time to distinguish in his teaching, his messages would be even <b>longer</b>.  <img src='http://s1.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Neumatikos &#187; Over the weekend</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Neumatikos &#187; Over the weekend]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 14:03:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] I&#8217;m really growing to like Mark Driscoll. But apparently the SBC&#8230; doesn&#8217;t. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I&#8217;m really growing to like Mark Driscoll. But apparently the SBC&#8230; doesn&#8217;t. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Morgan</title>
		<link>http://timmybrister.com/2009/02/12/my-take-on-baptist-press-throwing-mark-driscoll-under-the-bus/#comment-39645</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Morgan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 06:12:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you for your defense of Mark Driscoll.

On a related note, something that irks me many Sundays is Pastor Mark&#039;s bashing of &quot;fundamentalists,&quot; who he pretty much describes as Pharisees.  But of course, many who identify themselves as fundamentalists are genuine followers of Jesus, and Pastor Mark is just changing the definition of &quot;fundamentalist&quot; and thereby isolating fellow brothers in Christ.

Why Mark, why?!  Ugh.  Let&#039;s stop beating each other down.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for your defense of Mark Driscoll.</p>
<p>On a related note, something that irks me many Sundays is Pastor Mark&#8217;s bashing of &#8220;fundamentalists,&#8221; who he pretty much describes as Pharisees.  But of course, many who identify themselves as fundamentalists are genuine followers of Jesus, and Pastor Mark is just changing the definition of &#8220;fundamentalist&#8221; and thereby isolating fellow brothers in Christ.</p>
<p>Why Mark, why?!  Ugh.  Let&#8217;s stop beating each other down.</p>
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		<title>By: Brendt Waters</title>
		<link>http://timmybrister.com/2009/02/12/my-take-on-baptist-press-throwing-mark-driscoll-under-the-bus/#comment-39642</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brendt Waters]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 20:52:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dee, Ray Bolger is holding on line 2.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dee, Ray Bolger is holding on line 2.</p>
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