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	<title>Comments on: Poll: Your Thoughts on Baptist Press on Mark Driscoll</title>
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		<title>By: Todd Benkert</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Todd Benkert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 22:41:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks Todd Burus for the info. I also appreciated Timmy Brister setting the record strait on his blog:

http://timmybrister.com/2009/02/12/my-take-on-baptist-press-throwing-mark-driscoll-under-the-bus/

In any case, sorry I was going on the media accounts. I stand by what I said in principle about those who swear as a form of &quot;engaging the culture&quot; but see now that Driscoll is no longer an example of that kind of contextualization. 

Blessings,
Todd]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Todd Burus for the info. I also appreciated Timmy Brister setting the record strait on his blog:</p>
<p><a href="http://timmybrister.com/2009/02/12/my-take-on-baptist-press-throwing-mark-driscoll-under-the-bus/" rel="nofollow">http://timmybrister.com/2009/02/12/my-take-on-baptist-press-throwing-mark-driscoll-under-the-bus/</a></p>
<p>In any case, sorry I was going on the media accounts. I stand by what I said in principle about those who swear as a form of &#8220;engaging the culture&#8221; but see now that Driscoll is no longer an example of that kind of contextualization. </p>
<p>Blessings,<br />
Todd</p>
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		<title>By: Visitors Not Welcome?- Further SBC Divide Over Driscoll Following Propaganda Piece &#171; &#8220;For the time that is past suffices&#8230;&#8221;</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Visitors Not Welcome?- Further SBC Divide Over Driscoll Following Propaganda Piece &#171; &#8220;For the time that is past suffices&#8230;&#8221;]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 20:45:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] I was surfing the web (boy, is that phrase out-dated) and came across an article entitled &#8220;Poll: Your Thoughts on Baptist Press on Mark Driscoll.&#8221;  This intrigued me since I had no idea what the Baptist Press had said, so I followed the [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I was surfing the web (boy, is that phrase out-dated) and came across an article entitled &#8220;Poll: Your Thoughts on Baptist Press on Mark Driscoll.&#8221;  This intrigued me since I had no idea what the Baptist Press had said, so I followed the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Brett R</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brett R]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 18:58:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Did anyone actually listen to the Peasant Princess series (the sermon series on the Song of Songs where the sex questions came from)?  I am about to be married and listened to the whole thing very carefully and cautiously almost expecting something crass.  It didn&#039;t happen.  Instead, it was very helpful.  He didn&#039;t even talk about sex very much, most of the series deals with communication, dating each other, resolving conflict, dealing with past sins, etc.  Driscoll has said dumb things before, but he has exhibited some huge growth.  Let&#039;s celebrate that.  I was so impressed by the mature way he handled this subject with minimum joking (the ones he included were hardly vulgar).  Before bashing Driscoll they should actually listen to the series for themselves.

As for the online questions, they were posted on the blog so that he could actually answer real questions he was being asked weekly (mostly from newer believers), without having to do so in church.  I think this was really wise.  Also, if you read the Q&amp;A you&#039;ll find a lot of the BP&#039;s accusations are just ridiculous.  When he does reference the notorious website they drill him for, he says himself that they don&#039;t endorse everything on the site, but on the particular subject they had some interesting information.  What they failed to mention is how helpful some of these online resources connected with the series could be.  This Q&amp;A series involves questions that everyone wonders but are often afraid to ask; if they do ask, the last place they will is at the church, because of reactions like the BP is exhibiting.  If they cannot ask questions about sexuality at church then that is very dangerous.  Also, connected with this series, Re: Lit put out Driscoll&#039;s &quot;Porn Again Christian,&quot; which is probably the most helpful resource for young men about porn and masturbation available today (I just finished taking a small group of college guys through it who were incredibly helped by it).

I think this is yet another example of the good ole boys being the good ole boys.  Instead of seeking to love and encourage a young pastor in a Paul-to-Timothy fashion the way John Piper and CJ Mahaney have, they are quite happy to throw many a baby out with the bath water.  I don&#039;t agree with everything Driscoll says and does, but he&#039;s a brother with some incredible gifting and a sweet God-glorifying ministry.  Let&#039;s love, support, and learn together.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did anyone actually listen to the Peasant Princess series (the sermon series on the Song of Songs where the sex questions came from)?  I am about to be married and listened to the whole thing very carefully and cautiously almost expecting something crass.  It didn&#8217;t happen.  Instead, it was very helpful.  He didn&#8217;t even talk about sex very much, most of the series deals with communication, dating each other, resolving conflict, dealing with past sins, etc.  Driscoll has said dumb things before, but he has exhibited some huge growth.  Let&#8217;s celebrate that.  I was so impressed by the mature way he handled this subject with minimum joking (the ones he included were hardly vulgar).  Before bashing Driscoll they should actually listen to the series for themselves.</p>
<p>As for the online questions, they were posted on the blog so that he could actually answer real questions he was being asked weekly (mostly from newer believers), without having to do so in church.  I think this was really wise.  Also, if you read the Q&amp;A you&#8217;ll find a lot of the BP&#8217;s accusations are just ridiculous.  When he does reference the notorious website they drill him for, he says himself that they don&#8217;t endorse everything on the site, but on the particular subject they had some interesting information.  What they failed to mention is how helpful some of these online resources connected with the series could be.  This Q&amp;A series involves questions that everyone wonders but are often afraid to ask; if they do ask, the last place they will is at the church, because of reactions like the BP is exhibiting.  If they cannot ask questions about sexuality at church then that is very dangerous.  Also, connected with this series, Re: Lit put out Driscoll&#8217;s &#8220;Porn Again Christian,&#8221; which is probably the most helpful resource for young men about porn and masturbation available today (I just finished taking a small group of college guys through it who were incredibly helped by it).</p>
<p>I think this is yet another example of the good ole boys being the good ole boys.  Instead of seeking to love and encourage a young pastor in a Paul-to-Timothy fashion the way John Piper and CJ Mahaney have, they are quite happy to throw many a baby out with the bath water.  I don&#8217;t agree with everything Driscoll says and does, but he&#8217;s a brother with some incredible gifting and a sweet God-glorifying ministry.  Let&#8217;s love, support, and learn together.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Paul Foltz</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dr. Paul Foltz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 17:41:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Greg Alford;
As usual, you hit the nail on its head.. The BP,being part of the old vanguard,will soon move off the scene, and be no more. Also the dreging up of past sins confessed and repented of,is a very great heinous sin.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg Alford;<br />
As usual, you hit the nail on its head.. The BP,being part of the old vanguard,will soon move off the scene, and be no more. Also the dreging up of past sins confessed and repented of,is a very great heinous sin.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Alford</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Alford]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 17:31:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt; “In a December 2006 issue of Pulpit magazine…”&lt;/b&gt;

This comment from MacArthur is old news.  Actually it is three years old, so my question is why is this being dragged back up at this time?  I would just like to know what the motive of BP is in writing and publishing this article at this time?  Are they just trying to embarrass Dr. Akins and SEBTS because Mark Driscoll was invited to speak and a very large number of young students turned out to hear Mark?       	

&lt;b&gt; Driscoll also has gotten into hot water over the use of profanity before, at one time having the reputation as the “cussing pastor.” In that case, he repented, starting with a public apology for having become known for “good theology, a bad temper, and a foul mouth.

“This is not what I want to be known for,” he said then. &lt;/b&gt;

If Driscoll has repented then to continue to bring this stuff back up is unfortunate at best and quite possibly even sin.  I am left to wonder if the BP, or even all Southern Baptist for that matter, actually believe in the doctrine of “Forgiveness”?  If past sins for which I have repented are still grounds for disqualification from the ministry then brother “I am disqualified!” .

&lt;b&gt; &quot;&quot;If a pastor is preaching or teaching on an edgy topic just to get the attention of people in the community, and not to glorify God, then he has stepped over a line,&quot; &lt;/b&gt;

It would appear from this article that those who have an Ax to grind with Driscoll are quick to assign an impure to his preaching.  Goodness I hope no one ever every says such a think about the current SBC Pastor… If my sources are correct I believe he has attracted the attention of quite a few people in his community as well… I sure hope he is not stepped over the line.

This whole article is a sad case of the BP attempting to “Slash, Trash, and Burn” the reputation of Mark Driscoll and to try and stem his growing influence among young Southern Baptist.  I predict it will fail miserably as most young Southern Baptist do not read the BP… ever!                 

Grace Always,]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b> “In a December 2006 issue of Pulpit magazine…”</b></p>
<p>This comment from MacArthur is old news.  Actually it is three years old, so my question is why is this being dragged back up at this time?  I would just like to know what the motive of BP is in writing and publishing this article at this time?  Are they just trying to embarrass Dr. Akins and SEBTS because Mark Driscoll was invited to speak and a very large number of young students turned out to hear Mark?       	</p>
<p><b> Driscoll also has gotten into hot water over the use of profanity before, at one time having the reputation as the “cussing pastor.” In that case, he repented, starting with a public apology for having become known for “good theology, a bad temper, and a foul mouth.</p>
<p>“This is not what I want to be known for,” he said then. </b></p>
<p>If Driscoll has repented then to continue to bring this stuff back up is unfortunate at best and quite possibly even sin.  I am left to wonder if the BP, or even all Southern Baptist for that matter, actually believe in the doctrine of “Forgiveness”?  If past sins for which I have repented are still grounds for disqualification from the ministry then brother “I am disqualified!” .</p>
<p><b> &#8220;&#8221;If a pastor is preaching or teaching on an edgy topic just to get the attention of people in the community, and not to glorify God, then he has stepped over a line,&#8221; </b></p>
<p>It would appear from this article that those who have an Ax to grind with Driscoll are quick to assign an impure to his preaching.  Goodness I hope no one ever every says such a think about the current SBC Pastor… If my sources are correct I believe he has attracted the attention of quite a few people in his community as well… I sure hope he is not stepped over the line.</p>
<p>This whole article is a sad case of the BP attempting to “Slash, Trash, and Burn” the reputation of Mark Driscoll and to try and stem his growing influence among young Southern Baptist.  I predict it will fail miserably as most young Southern Baptist do not read the BP… ever!                 </p>
<p>Grace Always,</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Redmond</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matt Redmond]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 15:28:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;God saves from witchcraft and the baptists.&quot; - Matt Chandler]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;God saves from witchcraft and the baptists.&#8221; &#8211; Matt Chandler</p>
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		<title>By: ACF</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ACF]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 15:18:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The issue here is the article, and let&#039;s be clear -this is not journalism. BP is essentially a PR firm not a legitimate news service. Were they really legit they would have tried to contact Driscoll or someone at Mars Hill or provide some kind of balancing viewpoint.

More importantly, I think they would have done so if they were acting biblically. Instead they just basically engaged in slander and gossip. It was a hit piece on someone who espouses everything they fear - Calvinism, the Acts 29 network (full of drinkers and rock music), etc.

It&#039;s all so petty and silly and political - great reminder about why I jumped out of the SBC a few years ago...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The issue here is the article, and let&#8217;s be clear -this is not journalism. BP is essentially a PR firm not a legitimate news service. Were they really legit they would have tried to contact Driscoll or someone at Mars Hill or provide some kind of balancing viewpoint.</p>
<p>More importantly, I think they would have done so if they were acting biblically. Instead they just basically engaged in slander and gossip. It was a hit piece on someone who espouses everything they fear &#8211; Calvinism, the Acts 29 network (full of drinkers and rock music), etc.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s all so petty and silly and political &#8211; great reminder about why I jumped out of the SBC a few years ago&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: BrianD</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BrianD]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 15:09:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[They should have at least made a serious attempt to talk to the man directly. Driscoll probably would have accepted the request. 

Driscoll does have critics, so it&#039;s not unreasonable to speak with a few of them. However, because he has many supporters and people who are influenced by him within the SBC, BP also needed to speak with some people representative of that group as well.

BP could have written a feature on Driscoll and how and why he is so influential within the SBC, and easily touched on his &quot;vulgarity&quot;. Instead of dribbling inside for the sure layup (or dunk!), they knocked the ball out of bounds off their foot, then tried to pass it off like good basketball.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They should have at least made a serious attempt to talk to the man directly. Driscoll probably would have accepted the request. </p>
<p>Driscoll does have critics, so it&#8217;s not unreasonable to speak with a few of them. However, because he has many supporters and people who are influenced by him within the SBC, BP also needed to speak with some people representative of that group as well.</p>
<p>BP could have written a feature on Driscoll and how and why he is so influential within the SBC, and easily touched on his &#8220;vulgarity&#8221;. Instead of dribbling inside for the sure layup (or dunk!), they knocked the ball out of bounds off their foot, then tried to pass it off like good basketball.</p>
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		<title>By: BrianD</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BrianD]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 14:55:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Terribly written article. Driscoll is not above legitimate, fair, constructive criticism (no one is), but this could have been written much more fairly.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Terribly written article. Driscoll is not above legitimate, fair, constructive criticism (no one is), but this could have been written much more fairly.</p>
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		<title>By: csheidler</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[csheidler]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 14:50:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I see things like this on Driscoll, and I pray.  A lot.  Speaking has someone who has listened to a good deal of his preaching (and who has been thereby challenged and refreshed and encouraged in the Gospel), I don&#039;t want his passion or zeal to diminish one iota, but I think things like these speak more than anything else of a rashness and lack of maturity.  I appreciate his honesty about sex and his desire to encourage his audience to surrender their thinking about sex to the light of the gospel, but I wonder if posting it in the way he did (for adults, but readily accessible to children) was all that wise or responsible.  I pray God would continue to refine and shape him, and I hope others would do the same.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see things like this on Driscoll, and I pray.  A lot.  Speaking has someone who has listened to a good deal of his preaching (and who has been thereby challenged and refreshed and encouraged in the Gospel), I don&#8217;t want his passion or zeal to diminish one iota, but I think things like these speak more than anything else of a rashness and lack of maturity.  I appreciate his honesty about sex and his desire to encourage his audience to surrender their thinking about sex to the light of the gospel, but I wonder if posting it in the way he did (for adults, but readily accessible to children) was all that wise or responsible.  I pray God would continue to refine and shape him, and I hope others would do the same.</p>
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