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	<title>Comments on: Jesus the Evangelist to the Unevangelized? Driscoll Thinks So, But I Have Questions</title>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://timmybrister.com/2009/01/07/driscoll-on-the-unevangelized/#comment-39361</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 05:12:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great post and comments.  One thing you can say about Mark Driscoll, whether you like him or not, is that he sure has a lot of people talking.  I think it helps to keep everyone sharp when they have to think about what they believe and why.  Great stuff!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post and comments.  One thing you can say about Mark Driscoll, whether you like him or not, is that he sure has a lot of people talking.  I think it helps to keep everyone sharp when they have to think about what they believe and why.  Great stuff!</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://timmybrister.com/2009/01/07/driscoll-on-the-unevangelized/#comment-39351</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tim]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 20:47:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Cathy,
At least there is no legalism in any of your posts...(insert sarcasm here). Let me do my best to an

Do you believe it is in accordance with Scripture to describe the King of Kings as “a dude”?
depends on your definiton of &quot;dude.&quot;  I don&#039;t see anything negative about Jesus being a &quot;dude.&quot;  

Do you believe that Jesus told knock knock jokes and that His perfection had to have included comedic timing?
Not sure about &quot;Knock Knock&quot;jokes but what about the character of God would be against having a sense of humor.  As far as timing, maybe he was off on one or two but his self-confidence wasn&#039;t hurt.

Do you believe that all good comedy begins in Genesis and that the Old Testament can be described as a “red neck hillbilly comedy?”
Absolutely!  If you don&#039;t see the depravity of man in the OT, then you must be crazy.  Granted, it is the ultimate tragic comedy.

Do you believe that it is in accordance with Scripture to turn the issue of circumcision found in Galatians 5 into a crude “cut off your pickle joke?
Maybe a little over the line.

Do you believe there is “scatological humor” or “poopy comedy” found in Ezekiel?
Yes...just re-read it:)

Do you believe it is in accordance with Scripture to describe Jeremiah as someone “who cries like a newly crowned beauty queen all the time”?
What do you keep meaning by &quot;in accordance with Scripture&quot;?  That is so unclear!  Does this mean that anything that is humorous is not in accoradance with scripture.

Do you believe it is funny that Noah got drunk and naked and acted like “some redneck on vacation”?
Not funny...but unfortunately, I do have some relatives...

Do you believe that in accordance with Scripture, a wise man would take a gospel truth, such as, “YOU MUST BE BORN AGAIN,” and twist it for the title of a book addressing pornography and call it, “PORN-AGAIN” Christian”?
Twist it?  Is he using it as a claim of a Scriptural term?  Or is it just a play-on words to address a very serious issue that Mark deals with very well.

Do you believe that in accordance with Scripture one should describe one of the Old Testament stories in Judges to a “Monty Python” skit?
Have you ever seen Monty Python?

Do you believe that men like Jesus, Paul, and John the Baptist were “heterosexual, win-a-fight, punch you in the nose dudes”?
doubt it

Do you believe “real men” avoid church because it projects a “Richard Simmons, hippie, queer Christ” ?
Yes...absolutely...100%. To think otherwise is to have stuck your head in the sand.
If you do agree with all of the above, you agree with the ministry of Mark Driscoll.

So...yes...Mark has made mistakes and has even admitted to these mistakes.  But to say that Mark uses Scripture for his own benefit is just ridiculous.  Also, I think the accusation of Mark dumbing down Scriptures doesn&#039;t hold water.  In fact, I would say that you would be hard pressed to find many churches that taught as deeply as Mark does.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cathy,<br />
At least there is no legalism in any of your posts&#8230;(insert sarcasm here). Let me do my best to an</p>
<p>Do you believe it is in accordance with Scripture to describe the King of Kings as “a dude”?<br />
depends on your definiton of &#8220;dude.&#8221;  I don&#8217;t see anything negative about Jesus being a &#8220;dude.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Do you believe that Jesus told knock knock jokes and that His perfection had to have included comedic timing?<br />
Not sure about &#8220;Knock Knock&#8221;jokes but what about the character of God would be against having a sense of humor.  As far as timing, maybe he was off on one or two but his self-confidence wasn&#8217;t hurt.</p>
<p>Do you believe that all good comedy begins in Genesis and that the Old Testament can be described as a “red neck hillbilly comedy?”<br />
Absolutely!  If you don&#8217;t see the depravity of man in the OT, then you must be crazy.  Granted, it is the ultimate tragic comedy.</p>
<p>Do you believe that it is in accordance with Scripture to turn the issue of circumcision found in Galatians 5 into a crude “cut off your pickle joke?<br />
Maybe a little over the line.</p>
<p>Do you believe there is “scatological humor” or “poopy comedy” found in Ezekiel?<br />
Yes&#8230;just re-read it:)</p>
<p>Do you believe it is in accordance with Scripture to describe Jeremiah as someone “who cries like a newly crowned beauty queen all the time”?<br />
What do you keep meaning by &#8220;in accordance with Scripture&#8221;?  That is so unclear!  Does this mean that anything that is humorous is not in accoradance with scripture.</p>
<p>Do you believe it is funny that Noah got drunk and naked and acted like “some redneck on vacation”?<br />
Not funny&#8230;but unfortunately, I do have some relatives&#8230;</p>
<p>Do you believe that in accordance with Scripture, a wise man would take a gospel truth, such as, “YOU MUST BE BORN AGAIN,” and twist it for the title of a book addressing pornography and call it, “PORN-AGAIN” Christian”?<br />
Twist it?  Is he using it as a claim of a Scriptural term?  Or is it just a play-on words to address a very serious issue that Mark deals with very well.</p>
<p>Do you believe that in accordance with Scripture one should describe one of the Old Testament stories in Judges to a “Monty Python” skit?<br />
Have you ever seen Monty Python?</p>
<p>Do you believe that men like Jesus, Paul, and John the Baptist were “heterosexual, win-a-fight, punch you in the nose dudes”?<br />
doubt it</p>
<p>Do you believe “real men” avoid church because it projects a “Richard Simmons, hippie, queer Christ” ?<br />
Yes&#8230;absolutely&#8230;100%. To think otherwise is to have stuck your head in the sand.<br />
If you do agree with all of the above, you agree with the ministry of Mark Driscoll.</p>
<p>So&#8230;yes&#8230;Mark has made mistakes and has even admitted to these mistakes.  But to say that Mark uses Scripture for his own benefit is just ridiculous.  Also, I think the accusation of Mark dumbing down Scriptures doesn&#8217;t hold water.  In fact, I would say that you would be hard pressed to find many churches that taught as deeply as Mark does.</p>
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		<title>By: Kenan</title>
		<link>http://timmybrister.com/2009/01/07/driscoll-on-the-unevangelized/#comment-39349</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kenan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 04:21:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Stephen wrote:
&quot;Whether or not Jesus preaches to people today is a whole different issue, and one which we’d be better off actually talking about here instead of slamming Driscoll’s character.&quot;

I concur.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stephen wrote:<br />
&#8220;Whether or not Jesus preaches to people today is a whole different issue, and one which we’d be better off actually talking about here instead of slamming Driscoll’s character.&#8221;</p>
<p>I concur.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Newell</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stephen Newell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 19:29:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Usually, I never comment on any post with Mark Driscoll as the subject, even excellent ones such as Timmy&#039;s here, for the simple fact that they always turn into &quot;backstab Driscoll-fests&quot; in the comments.

All I&#039;m gonna say is this: though I wouldn&#039;t say the things he says, I have the exact same sense of humor Driscoll does, and I &lt;i&gt;appreciate&lt;/i&gt; it.  We have too many preachers and believers who are Pharisaical about Christian living.  Many of those taking issue with this aspect of him need to seriously lighten up.  Your inability to do so makes it impossible to have a relevant discussion like the one Timmy is attempting to have here.

Jesus is the &quot;Dude of Dudes&quot; who probably had diarrhea after eating bad figs, partied enough to get accused of being involved in Animal House, and was radical enough, comparatively speaking, to fit in on Vietnam-era university campuses.  None of that cheapens the fact that this fully human &quot;dude&quot; was also the fully divine &quot;God&quot; who came to take away the sins of the world, it actually (at least in my mind) makes it &lt;i&gt;more incredible&lt;/i&gt;.

Whether or not Jesus preaches to people today is a whole different issue, and one which we&#039;d be better off actually talking about here instead of slamming Driscoll&#039;s character.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Usually, I never comment on any post with Mark Driscoll as the subject, even excellent ones such as Timmy&#8217;s here, for the simple fact that they always turn into &#8220;backstab Driscoll-fests&#8221; in the comments.</p>
<p>All I&#8217;m gonna say is this: though I wouldn&#8217;t say the things he says, I have the exact same sense of humor Driscoll does, and I <i>appreciate</i> it.  We have too many preachers and believers who are Pharisaical about Christian living.  Many of those taking issue with this aspect of him need to seriously lighten up.  Your inability to do so makes it impossible to have a relevant discussion like the one Timmy is attempting to have here.</p>
<p>Jesus is the &#8220;Dude of Dudes&#8221; who probably had diarrhea after eating bad figs, partied enough to get accused of being involved in Animal House, and was radical enough, comparatively speaking, to fit in on Vietnam-era university campuses.  None of that cheapens the fact that this fully human &#8220;dude&#8221; was also the fully divine &#8220;God&#8221; who came to take away the sins of the world, it actually (at least in my mind) makes it <i>more incredible</i>.</p>
<p>Whether or not Jesus preaches to people today is a whole different issue, and one which we&#8217;d be better off actually talking about here instead of slamming Driscoll&#8217;s character.</p>
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		<title>By: Debbie Kaufman</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Debbie Kaufman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 15:52:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That should be I believe the Bible to be sufficient,authoritative.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That should be I believe the Bible to be sufficient,authoritative.</p>
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		<title>By: Debbie Kaufman</title>
		<link>http://timmybrister.com/2009/01/07/driscoll-on-the-unevangelized/#comment-39345</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Debbie Kaufman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 04:37:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Timmy you asked: 1) What role (assuming that it does) the Bible play in your understanding of the fate of the unevangelized? It is authoritative? Sufficient? Silent? Supplementary? etc.

(2) What must a person believe in order to be saved? And following that, does the message of salvation change depending upon circumstances? 

I do not feel from my last comment that I answered this fully. 

I believe the Bible to play a very important role. But could Christ not give this? Does it have to be read or heard? Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God(I believe this to be referring to the Bible)

I believe that faith in Christ alone is the requirement for salvation. But doesn&#039;t Ephesians tell us that faith comes from God? Couldn&#039;t that come from Christ appearing? I believe so. I also believe that like the Ethiopian, a way is made for others to come and disciple. I don&#039;t think it&#039;s done because the church isn&#039;t doing their job, but out of grace for the church and those who haven&#039;t heard. Do I believe that will be everyone on this earth? No, but then again I don&#039;t rule it out.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Timmy you asked: 1) What role (assuming that it does) the Bible play in your understanding of the fate of the unevangelized? It is authoritative? Sufficient? Silent? Supplementary? etc.</p>
<p>(2) What must a person believe in order to be saved? And following that, does the message of salvation change depending upon circumstances? </p>
<p>I do not feel from my last comment that I answered this fully. </p>
<p>I believe the Bible to play a very important role. But could Christ not give this? Does it have to be read or heard? Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God(I believe this to be referring to the Bible)</p>
<p>I believe that faith in Christ alone is the requirement for salvation. But doesn&#8217;t Ephesians tell us that faith comes from God? Couldn&#8217;t that come from Christ appearing? I believe so. I also believe that like the Ethiopian, a way is made for others to come and disciple. I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s done because the church isn&#8217;t doing their job, but out of grace for the church and those who haven&#8217;t heard. Do I believe that will be everyone on this earth? No, but then again I don&#8217;t rule it out.</p>
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		<title>By: Jimmy Long</title>
		<link>http://timmybrister.com/2009/01/07/driscoll-on-the-unevangelized/#comment-39344</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jimmy Long]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 03:20:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Cathy said:
&quot; I pray that in time some of you will see why I took the time to warn you about this ministry.&quot;

Why, are you planning on &quot;taking him out?&quot; - I&#039;m only kidding, but your comment does have that sort of prophetic foreboding feel to it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cathy said:<br />
&#8221; I pray that in time some of you will see why I took the time to warn you about this ministry.&#8221;</p>
<p>Why, are you planning on &#8220;taking him out?&#8221; &#8211; I&#8217;m only kidding, but your comment does have that sort of prophetic foreboding feel to it.</p>
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		<title>By: Cathy</title>
		<link>http://timmybrister.com/2009/01/07/driscoll-on-the-unevangelized/#comment-39342</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cathy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 00:35:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[(Excuse me for reappearing, but I am not an experienced blogger as someone above suggesting, and my above comment was sent before I was ready....)  :-)

Anyways, as I was saying to George, all of the information I have posted is well documented in Marks book and his public sermons posted at the Mars Hill. I know he has written that he was embarassed that Donald Miller gave him the nick-name, the cussing pastor, but I am not aware of recent apologies.  

Do some research on what Mark is now advocating for Christian married couples. It sounds more like sex counseling from Dr. Ruth than an evangelical pastor. 

God&#039;s word is all we have and we need to protect and guard the integrity of Scripture with our life. 

Mark Driscoll clearly distorts Scripture to serve his own purposes, which is why I was surprised that anyone would bother discussing his responses to any theological question. I will say it again,...anyone who jokes that  Jesus was some dude telling knock knock jokes is not handling Scripture or the name of my Lord carefully. There was a generation that understood my concerns. 

Before our eyes, we are witnessing the dumbing down of the church. 

I have said all I can say here. I pray that in time some of you will see why I took the time to warn you about this ministry.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Excuse me for reappearing, but I am not an experienced blogger as someone above suggesting, and my above comment was sent before I was ready&#8230;.)  <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Anyways, as I was saying to George, all of the information I have posted is well documented in Marks book and his public sermons posted at the Mars Hill. I know he has written that he was embarassed that Donald Miller gave him the nick-name, the cussing pastor, but I am not aware of recent apologies.  </p>
<p>Do some research on what Mark is now advocating for Christian married couples. It sounds more like sex counseling from Dr. Ruth than an evangelical pastor. </p>
<p>God&#8217;s word is all we have and we need to protect and guard the integrity of Scripture with our life. </p>
<p>Mark Driscoll clearly distorts Scripture to serve his own purposes, which is why I was surprised that anyone would bother discussing his responses to any theological question. I will say it again,&#8230;anyone who jokes that  Jesus was some dude telling knock knock jokes is not handling Scripture or the name of my Lord carefully. There was a generation that understood my concerns. </p>
<p>Before our eyes, we are witnessing the dumbing down of the church. </p>
<p>I have said all I can say here. I pray that in time some of you will see why I took the time to warn you about this ministry.</p>
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		<title>By: Cathy</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cathy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 00:09:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[George,

Per your question about Mark Driscoll apologizing recently for any of his comments, I do not have an answer. All of the direct quotes I have posted is still all public information diseminated in his books and]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>George,</p>
<p>Per your question about Mark Driscoll apologizing recently for any of his comments, I do not have an answer. All of the direct quotes I have posted is still all public information diseminated in his books and</p>
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		<title>By: D.L. Kane</title>
		<link>http://timmybrister.com/2009/01/07/driscoll-on-the-unevangelized/#comment-39340</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[D.L. Kane]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 22:45:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Timmy,

Had you made any attempts to contact Mark for clarification prior to posting this on your blog?   Had you expressed your concerns to him regarding that paragraph and any other comments that may have been unclear or bewildering?  I&#039;m assuming you probably did, and perhaps he did not reply?

D.L. Kane]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Timmy,</p>
<p>Had you made any attempts to contact Mark for clarification prior to posting this on your blog?   Had you expressed your concerns to him regarding that paragraph and any other comments that may have been unclear or bewildering?  I&#8217;m assuming you probably did, and perhaps he did not reply?</p>
<p>D.L. Kane</p>
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