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		<title>By: THE CHANGE WE NEED ~ TIM BRISTER</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[THE CHANGE WE NEED ~ TIM BRISTER]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Mar 2010 20:05:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Rapture Forums</title>
		<link>http://timmybrister.com/2008/11/05/the-change-we-need/#comment-41373</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 03:35:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Change is coming to America through obama but it is not going to be the kind of change we want. It&#039;s going to be the end of America as we know it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Change is coming to America through obama but it is not going to be the kind of change we want. It&#8217;s going to be the end of America as we know it.</p>
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		<title>By: CG White</title>
		<link>http://timmybrister.com/2008/11/05/the-change-we-need/#comment-38591</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CG White]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 01:26:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Clyde

I agree with you!  But I think that we also need to make work pay more than we need to reward investors.  I think a higher tax rate at the top and a universal healthcare system would be good.  I have a disability and work 2 jobs.  I am a Quaker pastor and a college professor.  Nobody I know has a better work ethic than me--but I think the CEO&#039;s should have some limits--like a maximum wage--and a higher minimum wage.  Expect all who can to work, but flatten the income distribution some.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clyde</p>
<p>I agree with you!  But I think that we also need to make work pay more than we need to reward investors.  I think a higher tax rate at the top and a universal healthcare system would be good.  I have a disability and work 2 jobs.  I am a Quaker pastor and a college professor.  Nobody I know has a better work ethic than me&#8211;but I think the CEO&#8217;s should have some limits&#8211;like a maximum wage&#8211;and a higher minimum wage.  Expect all who can to work, but flatten the income distribution some.</p>
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		<title>By: Clyde Edds</title>
		<link>http://timmybrister.com/2008/11/05/the-change-we-need/#comment-38542</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Clyde Edds]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 00:25:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re:  C G White,

Yes, I agree with wealth redistribution and our church practices it.
But I do not agree with wealth redistribution to those who are too lazy to work.  Christianity teaches that those who don&#039;t work, don&#039;t eat.  In my ministry I learned of a man who was physically fit came to the free clinic at he hospital and his occupation was professional stud.  In other words he got girls pregnant and split their welfare check with them.  I&#039;ll never agree to give him my hard earned tax dollars.  And I don&#039;t repent of that because it&#039;s not right.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re:  C G White,</p>
<p>Yes, I agree with wealth redistribution and our church practices it.<br />
But I do not agree with wealth redistribution to those who are too lazy to work.  Christianity teaches that those who don&#8217;t work, don&#8217;t eat.  In my ministry I learned of a man who was physically fit came to the free clinic at he hospital and his occupation was professional stud.  In other words he got girls pregnant and split their welfare check with them.  I&#8217;ll never agree to give him my hard earned tax dollars.  And I don&#8217;t repent of that because it&#8217;s not right.</p>
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		<title>By: CG White</title>
		<link>http://timmybrister.com/2008/11/05/the-change-we-need/#comment-38538</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CG White]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 21:33:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I also wish Obama were pro-life.  But the evangelical movement isw notpro-llife.  I commend to all followers of Jesus Ron Sider&#039;s book, COMPLETELY PRO-LIFE.  No ttrue Christian supports eitherr war, capital punishment, or abortion.

And I resent people calling Obama socialist.  Would to Godd he were!   Followers of Jesus shoudl be for wealth redistribution.  You should repent.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also wish Obama were pro-life.  But the evangelical movement isw notpro-llife.  I commend to all followers of Jesus Ron Sider&#8217;s book, COMPLETELY PRO-LIFE.  No ttrue Christian supports eitherr war, capital punishment, or abortion.</p>
<p>And I resent people calling Obama socialist.  Would to Godd he were!   Followers of Jesus shoudl be for wealth redistribution.  You should repent.</p>
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		<title>By: Laura</title>
		<link>http://timmybrister.com/2008/11/05/the-change-we-need/#comment-38537</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 20:37:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dude.  GREAT post.  Is there any way to get this into the hands of every Christian in America?  ;)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dude.  GREAT post.  Is there any way to get this into the hands of every Christian in America?  <img src='http://s1.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jim Pemberton</title>
		<link>http://timmybrister.com/2008/11/05/the-change-we-need/#comment-38536</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 19:16:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You&#039;re right, of course. Let me make a couple of observations:

First, we shouldn&#039;t expect that a revival in the church and good politics are supposed to be concurrent. In fact, history demonstrates that the two are generally not concurrent. When people talk about how we used to be a Christian nation, they may refer to comments made by our founders or think back to the 1950s. Even at our inception, political life was less unified than we would like to think. We were unified by our rebellion against our current government, the British Monarchy, and desired self-governance. God would have it that we had enough political leaders at the time to create a new form of government out of almost explicitly Christian presuppositions.

However, we know in general that where we have seen benign governments, God&#039;s people lose their contrast and conviction, and the poignancy of the gospel becomes diluted and becomes perceived as irrelevant. Therefore, it is most often through the heat of persecution that God&#039;s people become more faithful.

This leads me to my second point: The goal of Christians today must be to present the gospel through word and living in contrast to this fallen world. We have been called to be Holy, that is &quot;set apart&quot;. Functionally, this is to provide that contrast we need for the message of the gospel. We have been too quick to be identified with one political party or another and it has caused this contrast to be blurred.

At this, when things look the bleakest for our lifestyle, we have the greatest opportunity to be salt and light as contrast to the sin which hangs on this world like a rotting corpse and darkens the minds of all people born in the shadow of the fall.

May we make the most of that opportunity whether our government looks more like the world or more like the Kingdom of God. And if it&#039;s ever the latter, we must keep in mind that the task is ever more difficult.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right, of course. Let me make a couple of observations:</p>
<p>First, we shouldn&#8217;t expect that a revival in the church and good politics are supposed to be concurrent. In fact, history demonstrates that the two are generally not concurrent. When people talk about how we used to be a Christian nation, they may refer to comments made by our founders or think back to the 1950s. Even at our inception, political life was less unified than we would like to think. We were unified by our rebellion against our current government, the British Monarchy, and desired self-governance. God would have it that we had enough political leaders at the time to create a new form of government out of almost explicitly Christian presuppositions.</p>
<p>However, we know in general that where we have seen benign governments, God&#8217;s people lose their contrast and conviction, and the poignancy of the gospel becomes diluted and becomes perceived as irrelevant. Therefore, it is most often through the heat of persecution that God&#8217;s people become more faithful.</p>
<p>This leads me to my second point: The goal of Christians today must be to present the gospel through word and living in contrast to this fallen world. We have been called to be Holy, that is &#8220;set apart&#8221;. Functionally, this is to provide that contrast we need for the message of the gospel. We have been too quick to be identified with one political party or another and it has caused this contrast to be blurred.</p>
<p>At this, when things look the bleakest for our lifestyle, we have the greatest opportunity to be salt and light as contrast to the sin which hangs on this world like a rotting corpse and darkens the minds of all people born in the shadow of the fall.</p>
<p>May we make the most of that opportunity whether our government looks more like the world or more like the Kingdom of God. And if it&#8217;s ever the latter, we must keep in mind that the task is ever more difficult.</p>
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		<title>By: Post-election Christian perspectives &#171; Strengthened by Grace</title>
		<link>http://timmybrister.com/2008/11/05/the-change-we-need/#comment-38535</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Post-election Christian perspectives &#171; Strengthened by Grace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 10:42:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Betsy Markman</title>
		<link>http://timmybrister.com/2008/11/05/the-change-we-need/#comment-38518</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Betsy Markman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 15:38:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh Amen!
I pray for repentance and revival in America.  But until and unless that happens, I hope &quot;In God We Trust&quot; is taken off our coins.  It is an insult to Almighty God to pretend that this is a Christian nation!  Does anyone really think that God wants His Holy name on our godless nation&#039;s mammon?  People blaspheme the name of God because it is associated with this morally bankrupt nation.  Have you heard the president of Iran saying, &quot;Allah&#039;s followers are dressed modestly, but the followers of Christ go around half naked&quot;?  He thinks that your typical American is a follower of Christ!  That needs to change.  Either this country needs to repent and become true followers, or it needs to stop being draped with hypocritical Christian garb.

I like the image of &quot;missionary citizens.&quot;  We wouldn&#039;t dream of sending missionaries to a pagan country and telling them to force the pagans to put &quot;In God We Trust&quot; on their coins or make other pretensions of Christianity.  We would clearly see how false and futile and dishonoring to God that would be.  So why do we think that it&#039;s our duty as American Christians to commit that same folly here?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh Amen!<br />
I pray for repentance and revival in America.  But until and unless that happens, I hope &#8220;In God We Trust&#8221; is taken off our coins.  It is an insult to Almighty God to pretend that this is a Christian nation!  Does anyone really think that God wants His Holy name on our godless nation&#8217;s mammon?  People blaspheme the name of God because it is associated with this morally bankrupt nation.  Have you heard the president of Iran saying, &#8220;Allah&#8217;s followers are dressed modestly, but the followers of Christ go around half naked&#8221;?  He thinks that your typical American is a follower of Christ!  That needs to change.  Either this country needs to repent and become true followers, or it needs to stop being draped with hypocritical Christian garb.</p>
<p>I like the image of &#8220;missionary citizens.&#8221;  We wouldn&#8217;t dream of sending missionaries to a pagan country and telling them to force the pagans to put &#8220;In God We Trust&#8221; on their coins or make other pretensions of Christianity.  We would clearly see how false and futile and dishonoring to God that would be.  So why do we think that it&#8217;s our duty as American Christians to commit that same folly here?</p>
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		<title>By: The Change We Need by T. Brister &#171; Diakoneo</title>
		<link>http://timmybrister.com/2008/11/05/the-change-we-need/#comment-38516</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 01:57:12 +0000</pubDate>
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