Comments on: The Fleecing of the SBC http://timmybrister.com/2007/10/05/the-fleecing-of-the-sbc/ Trusting God :: Treasuring Christ :: Triumphing the Gospel Sat, 26 May 2012 00:03:12 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: Forum: Do you believe in the SBC? | Said At Southern Seminary http://timmybrister.com/2007/10/05/the-fleecing-of-the-sbc/#comment-33909 Fri, 25 Jan 2008 22:35:38 +0000 http://timmybrister.com/2007/10/05/the-fleecing-of-the-sbc/#comment-33909 [...] If Dr. Dever is right, why not fund organizations with with less bureaucratic baggage? [...]

]]> By: 2007 SBC State Convention Analysis « Provocations & Pantings http://timmybrister.com/2007/10/05/the-fleecing-of-the-sbc/#comment-25246 Fri, 30 Nov 2007 12:09:40 +0000 http://timmybrister.com/2007/10/05/the-fleecing-of-the-sbc/#comment-25246 [...] the little research I did on the State Convention of Baptists in Indiana (SCBI) entitled, “The Fleecing of the SBC.” Well, thanks to the “wrap ups” by Baptist Press, I have been able to gather [...]

]]> By: Denominational Money Laundering | Said At Southern Seminary http://timmybrister.com/2007/10/05/the-fleecing-of-the-sbc/#comment-15485 Thu, 11 Oct 2007 06:03:46 +0000 http://timmybrister.com/2007/10/05/the-fleecing-of-the-sbc/#comment-15485 [...] the dirty truth about your Cooperative Program dollars. In conclusion, how responsible are we as Southern Baptists when we give money to a state [...]

]]> By: Timmy Brister http://timmybrister.com/2007/10/05/the-fleecing-of-the-sbc/#comment-15392 Tue, 09 Oct 2007 06:49:14 +0000 http://timmybrister.com/2007/10/05/the-fleecing-of-the-sbc/#comment-15392 Thanks Dirk. From what I understand about the FL situation, it was financed independently of the FL state convention but was distributed through the state convention to boot. Tom Ascol would have the 411 on all that. Thanks for the encouragement, but I think I have upset enough people for now. ;)

]]> By: Dirk http://timmybrister.com/2007/10/05/the-fleecing-of-the-sbc/#comment-15381 Tue, 09 Oct 2007 01:58:52 +0000 http://timmybrister.com/2007/10/05/the-fleecing-of-the-sbc/#comment-15381 Timmy,
I don’ t know where else they would get the money, except the CP? Can they take private funds for a specific cause (I really don’t have a clue)? Even if they do, the salary of the people working there was partially funded by the churches on the day they did that work. Keep up work with all the info you are putting out!–Dirk

]]> By: dwmiii http://timmybrister.com/2007/10/05/the-fleecing-of-the-sbc/#comment-15340 Mon, 08 Oct 2007 11:27:22 +0000 http://timmybrister.com/2007/10/05/the-fleecing-of-the-sbc/#comment-15340 Tim,

Great breakdown. Thanks for making us aware of the situation. While there may need to be a few tweaks of the CP itself, there especially need to be some tweaks of how the CP is used.

Bill Loller,

In defense of DOMs: :) While I agree with you, some are getting paid way too much for nothing. However, my father is a DOM who gets paid too little for doing a lot. He is a DOM for a rural area. He has lead several mission trips around the world. These mission trip teams were made of of several different churches. My father works a lot with his churches. He’s close to SEBTS where I work, and he here about every week meeting with Pastors who attend school here. He does a lot more than I know I’m sure. He also does a lot of stuff for NAMB and for Lifeway. His major comment to me has always been, most DOMs don’t know, or don’t take the time to find out how the convention can help them do missions in their area.

Now, I’m not disagreeing with your statements. I just wanted to point out what my Father is doing so that you may know that any CP money given there is being put to good use at least in rural NC.

But, your point is made and agreed with. Just not in this case. :)

Dougald

]]> By: Breakdown of Fall Break and Your Thoughts « Provocations & Pantings http://timmybrister.com/2007/10/05/the-fleecing-of-the-sbc/#comment-15334 Mon, 08 Oct 2007 10:11:17 +0000 http://timmybrister.com/2007/10/05/the-fleecing-of-the-sbc/#comment-15334 [...] The Fleecing of the SBC 2. Together for the Church 3. 2:00 a.m. @ Mars Hill 4. Decisional Regeneration and Southern Baptist [...]

]]> By: Timmy Brister http://timmybrister.com/2007/10/05/the-fleecing-of-the-sbc/#comment-15332 Mon, 08 Oct 2007 09:35:01 +0000 http://timmybrister.com/2007/10/05/the-fleecing-of-the-sbc/#comment-15332 kmichael,

If not a class, at least we need an explanation for why our CP money is being spent the way it is. I just don’t understand it, and when more Southern Baptists do the little research I did, I don’t think they will either.

Yeah, I was struck by the parallel of individuals, families, churches, and state conventions by what percentage of money they spend on things. We are living in an age of financial prosperity but our families and churches are accumulating greater debt. If 75% of the average church budget is spent on salaries and budgets, and 75% of state convention budgets are spent within the state on other things, then it is no wonder why we are not as on mission as we should be.

I would just encourage you to continue to do your homework on the matter, humbly ask questions, and seek for answers to these serious matters before us.

]]> By: Timmy Brister http://timmybrister.com/2007/10/05/the-fleecing-of-the-sbc/#comment-15331 Mon, 08 Oct 2007 09:28:38 +0000 http://timmybrister.com/2007/10/05/the-fleecing-of-the-sbc/#comment-15331 Shamgar,

I believe it was Don Cass, director of evangelism for the SBTC who passed out copies of a message by Paige Patterson and Roy Fish’s “The ‘C’ Word” sermon, which by the way, was also distributed in MO. The TX situation was briefly discussed here:

http://www.founders.org/blog/2007/06/florida-pastors-sent-anti-calvinist.html#9216198788752692526

]]> By: kmichael http://timmybrister.com/2007/10/05/the-fleecing-of-the-sbc/#comment-15314 Mon, 08 Oct 2007 03:40:44 +0000 http://timmybrister.com/2007/10/05/the-fleecing-of-the-sbc/#comment-15314 Timmy,

Interesting post. I have been studying the proposed ’08 budget for the Missouri Baptist convention, whose AM is coming up end of month. I have never really been quite as concerned with it as I should have been and decided to look closely at it this year. The proposed CP budget is 16.5 million. Of that, 36%, or 5.92 million will go to the SBC. Leaving slightly over 10 million to stay in Missouri. After we fund our remaining schools and entities, the E.B. keeps 6.86 million. I am working on getting a breakdown for this amount. But 42% of our CP dollars are being funneled to a group of guys in an aging skyscraper in down town Jefferson City to pay for an infrastructure that is aging and over departmentalized. Keep in mind that church planting is funded out of the Missouri Mission Offering with an 07 budget of 800,00.

This may not seem out of the ordinary to your readership that might be more learned than I when it comes to such things. But I am looking back and seeing the percentages. I see them failing in priority. I see them paying for paper and staples salaries and not Scripture and souls and salvation.

Is there a state convention that gets it right? Is there a church that gets it right? My church spends 55% of its budget on salaries. Add to that 10% CP and you have 35% left to “run the shop” and do local missions. As for state conventions, would a 50/50 split be a better? Is there a sufficient percentage to keep for “administrative costs?” Or should we continue down the current path that will someday lead to the Oral Roberts/Benny Hinn steps to institutional financial freedom?

And the DOM position. Who in their right mind came up with that? My association is just another bureaucracy. Everyone talks about “planting church.” But more starts are failing than ever. Have stopped relying on the Lord? In fact, do we need to plant new church when we cannot fix the old ones?

Boy did God mess up when he put us poor sinners in charge of such spiritual things. There really ought to be a class on how to do God’s work. :)

ihs,

kmichael

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