Comments on: From Rural to Suburban to Urban, or The Kellerizing of the SBC http://timmybrister.com/2007/10/04/from-rural-to-suburban-to-urban-or-the-kellerizing-of-the-sbc/ Trusting God :: Treasuring Christ :: Triumphing the Gospel Sat, 26 May 2012 00:03:12 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: The City « Christ Church (beta) http://timmybrister.com/2007/10/04/from-rural-to-suburban-to-urban-or-the-kellerizing-of-the-sbc/#comment-15546 Fri, 12 Oct 2007 04:20:52 +0000 http://timmybrister.com/2007/10/04/from-rural-to-suburban-to-urban-or-the-kellerizing-of-the-sbc/#comment-15546 [...] , missional , planting , thegospel , theology , worldview Tags: church planting, urban It looks like the Southern Baptists are moving this way, [...]

]]> By: Timmy Brister http://timmybrister.com/2007/10/04/from-rural-to-suburban-to-urban-or-the-kellerizing-of-the-sbc/#comment-15173 Fri, 05 Oct 2007 22:09:13 +0000 http://timmybrister.com/2007/10/04/from-rural-to-suburban-to-urban-or-the-kellerizing-of-the-sbc/#comment-15173 Danny,

Sounds good. We need to email each other Wednesday or Thursday to remind one another. Those who know me know that my left hand is my day planner! My email is outpostministries[at]yahoo[dot]com.

]]> By: dslavich http://timmybrister.com/2007/10/04/from-rural-to-suburban-to-urban-or-the-kellerizing-of-the-sbc/#comment-15166 Fri, 05 Oct 2007 19:09:39 +0000 http://timmybrister.com/2007/10/04/from-rural-to-suburban-to-urban-or-the-kellerizing-of-the-sbc/#comment-15166 Timmy, how does Friday look for you? I’m off work at 1:15.

]]> By: Chad http://timmybrister.com/2007/10/04/from-rural-to-suburban-to-urban-or-the-kellerizing-of-the-sbc/#comment-15157 Fri, 05 Oct 2007 17:55:55 +0000 http://timmybrister.com/2007/10/04/from-rural-to-suburban-to-urban-or-the-kellerizing-of-the-sbc/#comment-15157 Great post. Keller said something that has really convicted me about deciding where we choose to live. He said that a major factor in deciding where we live should be based on where we would be best used by God. This, to me anyway, was radical and challenging. In the USA, comfort and security are key. We choose where to live based on the best property values, to be closer to a job, to be in a safer community, etc. It’s all about us. Heaven forbid we think “where should I live that would provide for the best missional opportunity to engage and change the culture around me?” And, in answer to that question, Keller makes a great case for living in the city.

]]> By: Timmy Brister http://timmybrister.com/2007/10/04/from-rural-to-suburban-to-urban-or-the-kellerizing-of-the-sbc/#comment-15132 Fri, 05 Oct 2007 10:11:21 +0000 http://timmybrister.com/2007/10/04/from-rural-to-suburban-to-urban-or-the-kellerizing-of-the-sbc/#comment-15132 Jeff,

I am with you man. Learning and growing, feeling frustrated and yet hopeful. Keep pressing on for the sake of the gospel!

Bill,

It’s funny how a comment leads into my future post. When you see today’s post, you will see what I mean. I think of the parable Jesus gave in Luke 14:12-14 where he told his disciples to not have a banquet with guests who can repay you, but go and invite the lame, poor, blind, and deaf, and God will repay you in the resurrection of the righteous (my paraphrase). I guess it’s hard to budget in the repayment from the resurrection, so I guess that’s why we are less likely to find the lame, blind and deaf at our dinner tables. ;)

]]> By: Timmy Brister http://timmybrister.com/2007/10/04/from-rural-to-suburban-to-urban-or-the-kellerizing-of-the-sbc/#comment-15131 Fri, 05 Oct 2007 10:03:54 +0000 http://timmybrister.com/2007/10/04/from-rural-to-suburban-to-urban-or-the-kellerizing-of-the-sbc/#comment-15131 Danny,

Let’s see if we can make it happen soon. Later during the week would be better for me. Monday and Tuesday is a big train wreck, and Wednesday is recovery day.

David,

The post I was referring to was by Mark Dever on the T4G blog. Here is the link:

http://blog.togetherforthegospel.org/2006/02/so_are_calvinis.html

42% growth ain’t bad for ‘dem Calvinists. ;)

Oh, and thanks for the offer to recommend me. I’m happy as a Baptist, but your recommendation gives me a warm fuzzy on the inside.

]]> By: Bill Lollar http://timmybrister.com/2007/10/04/from-rural-to-suburban-to-urban-or-the-kellerizing-of-the-sbc/#comment-15129 Fri, 05 Oct 2007 07:34:21 +0000 http://timmybrister.com/2007/10/04/from-rural-to-suburban-to-urban-or-the-kellerizing-of-the-sbc/#comment-15129 Thanks for this, Timmy! Not many church planters seem eager to jump into the deep end of urban ministry for a lot of different reasons, but one glaring difficulty is the lack of financial support for the long-term presence needed to “crack the nut” and develop the relational networks necessary for sustainability. Drug addicts, prostitutes, homeless persons, and others inhabiting the inner city cannot provide the sort of income stream that can support a church plant when the money from NAMB runs out (usually after three years). The same is true in low-income suburban communities. Suburban doesn’t always equate to affluence.

Most denominational funding—whether on the local, state, or national level—seeks to get the “best bang for the buck” so they can point to their successes and justify next year’s budget. That’s tough to do in the mission field you’re describing, but our sickening obsession with numbers and baptisms makes it virtually a no-win situation for everyone. Glad you brought this to the front burner!

]]> By: Jeff Lash http://timmybrister.com/2007/10/04/from-rural-to-suburban-to-urban-or-the-kellerizing-of-the-sbc/#comment-15126 Fri, 05 Oct 2007 04:21:27 +0000 http://timmybrister.com/2007/10/04/from-rural-to-suburban-to-urban-or-the-kellerizing-of-the-sbc/#comment-15126 Good reflections Timmy. I have been challenged with some of these same questions and thoughts myself. And honestly I was not challenged much with these issues until I reached the bible belt. When I lived a little more north, it seemed normal to interact with “messy” individuals. Why? Because I realized that I wasn’t much different aside from Christ. But I live in Nashville now. And Christianity is a subculture (I know, I’m preaching to the choir). Everything down here has a feeling of professionalism and production. There seems to be a consistent facade with people. Everything is “together.” It has been a real struggle at times. But I think I have grown a lot through this experience. It has given me a different perspective and I am thankful for that. The tendency is to blast the south and point out all the deficiencies. There are a lot of good things happening here. I know some good churches who are really making strides in reaching their community with the gospel. However, Southern Christianity is probably in the greatest state of denial when it comes to influence, impact, and mission. What does it practically mean to fully engage the culture and yet be countercultural? I’m still learning.

]]> By: G. F. McDowell http://timmybrister.com/2007/10/04/from-rural-to-suburban-to-urban-or-the-kellerizing-of-the-sbc/#comment-15124 Fri, 05 Oct 2007 03:36:56 +0000 http://timmybrister.com/2007/10/04/from-rural-to-suburban-to-urban-or-the-kellerizing-of-the-sbc/#comment-15124 H2 as a doorprize? Probably someone was a GM dealer and a deacon somewhere and thought it would be a good idea. Talk about tin-ear. Honestly, how can we sing, “let goods and kindred go” when we drove to church in a Lexus?

Back to topic, maybe someone should field a resoution “urging” that denominational leaders either have or acquire a few years’ urban ministry experience when Indy rolls around this summer.

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