Comments on: From the Cruiseliner to the Battleship: What Will It Take? http://timmybrister.com/2007/10/02/from-the-cruiseliner-to-the-battleship-what-will-it-take/ Trusting God :: Treasuring Christ :: Triumphing the Gospel Sat, 26 May 2012 00:03:12 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: Linda Waller http://timmybrister.com/2007/10/02/from-the-cruiseliner-to-the-battleship-what-will-it-take/#comment-42778 Thu, 17 Jun 2010 00:25:09 +0000 http://timmybrister.com/2007/10/02/from-the-cruiseliner-to-the-battleship-what-will-it-take/#comment-42778 Quite fascinating to me. Linda Barnes Popham writes an article about what churches are not doing regarding mission and ministry, and the responses are all about the fact that she is a woman. Maybe all of you should read her article again. And again.

]]> By: The Fleecing of the SBC « Provocations & Pantings http://timmybrister.com/2007/10/02/from-the-cruiseliner-to-the-battleship-what-will-it-take/#comment-15147 Fri, 05 Oct 2007 14:29:17 +0000 http://timmybrister.com/2007/10/02/from-the-cruiseliner-to-the-battleship-what-will-it-take/#comment-15147 [...] Program, with $920,616 or 65.5% never making it out of the state. I projected in the post “From the Cruiseliner to the Battleship: What Will It Take?” that the average SBC church spends 70-75% of their annual budget on staffing and buildings. [...]

]]> By: Jim Champion http://timmybrister.com/2007/10/02/from-the-cruiseliner-to-the-battleship-what-will-it-take/#comment-15020 Wed, 03 Oct 2007 14:43:48 +0000 http://timmybrister.com/2007/10/02/from-the-cruiseliner-to-the-battleship-what-will-it-take/#comment-15020 Tim

Many of the above comments reflect exactly what the problem with what the CR has become. It went from being all about Inerrancy (where exactly is that in the BFM 2000?) to putting the “right” people in the “right” jobs, to now quibbling over matters of interpretation ie is Beth Moore anyone’s senior pastor?? Alcohol, tounges, female seminary professors etc. Its not at all about innerancy any longer (if it ever was), it is now about narrowing of parameters.

It was interesting listening to the convergent conference at SWBTS, those guys seem to get it – and I would include Danny Akin and Ed Stetzer in that group. There were some pretty funny moments in the Q&A session – some uncomfortable ones as well

]]> By: KEM http://timmybrister.com/2007/10/02/from-the-cruiseliner-to-the-battleship-what-will-it-take/#comment-15019 Wed, 03 Oct 2007 12:56:06 +0000 http://timmybrister.com/2007/10/02/from-the-cruiseliner-to-the-battleship-what-will-it-take/#comment-15019 Not at all wanting to start problems with regards to either UU or Beth Moore.

Beth teaches/preaches to men at most of her conferences and yes these men choose to sit under her. She also is on TV every Wednesday (I believe Wednesday) on the James Roberson? show and there are men also sitting under her there. When I saw her she was on the day before Creflow? Dollar.

As for UU, I have numerous friends that work in various positions there and I happen to live in Jackson. I love UU they are the best we have in undergrad out there but I know for a fact (unless this friend that works there lied to me) that they do hold to the conservative statement that you have stated but they are not require to sign anything or uphold that statement in any fashion. Professors can but are not required to sign the statement and the others staffers are not even talked to about the matter. Of course this is according to the ones I know. I addressed this issue with one friend do to my shock that it is not an requirement to work their. I do not intend on causing any problem here it is just what I have been told by the few I know that are part of UU. As I said I love UU but I do hope that this becomes a requirement for all that have a part of working there.

]]> By: Timmy Brister http://timmybrister.com/2007/10/02/from-the-cruiseliner-to-the-battleship-what-will-it-take/#comment-15014 Wed, 03 Oct 2007 08:44:27 +0000 http://timmybrister.com/2007/10/02/from-the-cruiseliner-to-the-battleship-what-will-it-take/#comment-15014 Greg,

Now that’s conviction! I like that. But I also don’t want to see this thread turn into a debate over Beth Moore as it would be quite tangential to the original post. It is something that should be talked about though.

Nick,

It is also very interesting that before you wrote your comment, I completed my next post which speaks directly to your situation and what you ask. It is scheduled to appear around 10:00 this morning (Wednesday). Every time I write on the SBC, I get emails from folks asking me what in the world I am doing hanging around the SBC. Part of my writing offline has been in part defending the SBC and sharing my hopes for ecclesiological reform. I am not like most SBC bloggers who can handle blogging on SBC issues on a daily basis, but I’ve got a week’s worth every six months or so. It isn’t much, but it appears that a lot of people are interested (at least that’s what the stats say).

My upcoming post will probably not answer all your questions, but I speak to your frustration and the difficult situation for young, Reformed ministers in the SBC. If you don’t mind, let me know what you think. Grace and peace brother.

]]> By: Battleship SBC | Said At Southern Seminary http://timmybrister.com/2007/10/02/from-the-cruiseliner-to-the-battleship-what-will-it-take/#comment-15012 Wed, 03 Oct 2007 05:59:27 +0000 http://timmybrister.com/2007/10/02/from-the-cruiseliner-to-the-battleship-what-will-it-take/#comment-15012 [...] Brister makes some waves about our sinking ship. We have gone from a wartime mentality to domestic infighting, like little kids in the back seat [...]

]]> By: Nick Kennicott http://timmybrister.com/2007/10/02/from-the-cruiseliner-to-the-battleship-what-will-it-take/#comment-15009 Wed, 03 Oct 2007 04:10:15 +0000 http://timmybrister.com/2007/10/02/from-the-cruiseliner-to-the-battleship-what-will-it-take/#comment-15009 Timmy:

It is very interesting to me that you are writing on this topic throughout the week at the very same time that I am transitioning into a new ministry position — I am leaving the SBC. There are many reasons for my move, of which I will be writing on my blog in the next week or so, but up front I will say that I am sick of the nonsense and am always curiously asking young pastors like myself why they choose to stay in the convention. I’d love for you to write on this — do the pros outweigh the cons for you? Is it worth the fight, or could that time and effort be better spent elsewhere? There are a few things about the SBC that I appreciate, but don’t see them to be unique. I’m not a “cut bait and run” kind of guy, but this has been a long time coming. The ship has been taking on water for many years and I’m not sticking around to go down with it.

If you’re wondering, I’m going to an ARBCA church in the area. Several ARBCA churches have SBC affiliation — ours does not.

What do you think? Will you write on those things?

]]> By: Greg Alford http://timmybrister.com/2007/10/02/from-the-cruiseliner-to-the-battleship-what-will-it-take/#comment-15008 Wed, 03 Oct 2007 03:35:42 +0000 http://timmybrister.com/2007/10/02/from-the-cruiseliner-to-the-battleship-what-will-it-take/#comment-15008 Concerning Beth Moore… Just where in the Scriptures can we find any defense for having a “Prophetess” come into an area and hold a “Teaching Conference” where the authority of the local churches and their local Pastor are both trodden under foot?

Has not God entrust the discipleship of those women who attend these so called “Teaching Conferences” to the local church and the local Pastor? I can find no biblical justification for Beth Moore’s so called “Teaching Ministry” outside of her own local church under the direct authority of her local Pastor… Period!

Grace to all,
Greg Alford

]]> By: Adam Brown http://timmybrister.com/2007/10/02/from-the-cruiseliner-to-the-battleship-what-will-it-take/#comment-15004 Wed, 03 Oct 2007 02:10:37 +0000 http://timmybrister.com/2007/10/02/from-the-cruiseliner-to-the-battleship-what-will-it-take/#comment-15004 Beth Moore studies are targeted toward women. They could be used by anybody who had one or if any church took the liberty of using it for everybody. If men are using them it’s not Beth Moore’s fault.

I just moved here from Memphis and Union is a very good and conservative school that does hold to the inerrancy of Scripture.

]]> By: Style » From the Cruiseliner to the Battleship: What Will It Take? http://timmybrister.com/2007/10/02/from-the-cruiseliner-to-the-battleship-what-will-it-take/#comment-15003 Wed, 03 Oct 2007 02:09:04 +0000 http://timmybrister.com/2007/10/02/from-the-cruiseliner-to-the-battleship-what-will-it-take/#comment-15003 [...] homediy1 wrote an interesting post today onHere’s a quick excerptAnd in this war, it is not over who is conservative and who is not (according to your own criteria), but the state of our churches, the recovery of the gospel, and mission which we have been entrusted by our Commander in Chief. … [...]

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