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		<link>http://timmybrister.com/2007/07/24/monergism-t-shirts-and-theology/#comment-32157</link>
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		<title>By: Timmy Brister</title>
		<link>http://timmybrister.com/2007/07/24/monergism-t-shirts-and-theology/#comment-9650</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 23:36:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I understand your point, Stephen, and I do think there is a difference, just as I think there is a difference wearing a t-shirt with SBTS&#039; logo on it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand your point, Stephen, and I do think there is a difference, just as I think there is a difference wearing a t-shirt with SBTS&#8217; logo on it.</p>
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		<title>By: stephen cavness</title>
		<link>http://timmybrister.com/2007/07/24/monergism-t-shirts-and-theology/#comment-9649</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 23:29:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[timmy,

that is the same t-shirt that i was referencing as well. the 3 cross logo on the front is from the album, &quot;smasgf&quot; as are the words on the back.

my response wasn&#039;t meant to be snippy (though there is no way to discern &quot;tone&quot;, i know), i was just pointing out to the one who found &quot;irony&quot; on derek&#039;s website that the t-shirt available isnt a &quot;christian&quot; t-shirt, it simply has the name and design of an album, like my old nirvana concert t-shirts do. 


-stephen]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>timmy,</p>
<p>that is the same t-shirt that i was referencing as well. the 3 cross logo on the front is from the album, &#8220;smasgf&#8221; as are the words on the back.</p>
<p>my response wasn&#8217;t meant to be snippy (though there is no way to discern &#8220;tone&#8221;, i know), i was just pointing out to the one who found &#8220;irony&#8221; on derek&#8217;s website that the t-shirt available isnt a &#8220;christian&#8221; t-shirt, it simply has the name and design of an album, like my old nirvana concert t-shirts do. </p>
<p>-stephen</p>
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		<title>By: Ched</title>
		<link>http://timmybrister.com/2007/07/24/monergism-t-shirts-and-theology/#comment-9637</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 12:52:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Regardless of how the Christian T-shirt debate irons out, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.joshharris.com/2007/07/cj_tshirt.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;C.J. Mahaney is still my homeboy.&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regardless of how the Christian T-shirt debate irons out, <a href="http://www.joshharris.com/2007/07/cj_tshirt.php" rel="nofollow">C.J. Mahaney is still my homeboy.</a></p>
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		<title>By: Timmy Brister</title>
		<link>http://timmybrister.com/2007/07/24/monergism-t-shirts-and-theology/#comment-9615</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Timmy Brister]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 02:38:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dan,

I have thought a lot about the images we are sending in our hyper-visual culture.  I plan to write a series on this in a couple of weeks.  

There are several dangers to this, not the least of which is that God looks on the heart, not upon the outer appearance of man.  We can have the best messages on our t-shirts but the worst messages in our lives, the way we treat people, what we say, how we live, etc.  Sometimes I think t-shirts are used to appease the consciences of Christians who know they should be doing more but don&#039;t know how. 

Biblical illiteracy and unfulfilled commitments to discipleship are on display in more ways that we realize.  I suppose there might be a place for sound-byte theology, but the message and moreover the medium here are quite bad.  Sooner or later we will learn that copying the culture does not equal engaging the culture.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan,</p>
<p>I have thought a lot about the images we are sending in our hyper-visual culture.  I plan to write a series on this in a couple of weeks.  </p>
<p>There are several dangers to this, not the least of which is that God looks on the heart, not upon the outer appearance of man.  We can have the best messages on our t-shirts but the worst messages in our lives, the way we treat people, what we say, how we live, etc.  Sometimes I think t-shirts are used to appease the consciences of Christians who know they should be doing more but don&#8217;t know how. </p>
<p>Biblical illiteracy and unfulfilled commitments to discipleship are on display in more ways that we realize.  I suppose there might be a place for sound-byte theology, but the message and moreover the medium here are quite bad.  Sooner or later we will learn that copying the culture does not equal engaging the culture.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Barnett</title>
		<link>http://timmybrister.com/2007/07/24/monergism-t-shirts-and-theology/#comment-9609</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dan Barnett]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 23:07:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Did you scroll over the one---&quot;Jesus Christ Son of God&quot;?  It says, &quot;...sure to cause controversy.&quot;  Great message for our teens.  I actually did like the one----&quot;Don&#039;t force your beliefs on me-unborn child.&quot;    Let&#039;s just give kids cheap unbiblical t-shirts, and they&#039;ll never care that we spend no time in our churches today discipling them and teaching them the Word of God.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did you scroll over the one&#8212;&#8221;Jesus Christ Son of God&#8221;?  It says, &#8220;&#8230;sure to cause controversy.&#8221;  Great message for our teens.  I actually did like the one&#8212;-&#8221;Don&#8217;t force your beliefs on me-unborn child.&#8221;    Let&#8217;s just give kids cheap unbiblical t-shirts, and they&#8217;ll never care that we spend no time in our churches today discipling them and teaching them the Word of God.</p>
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		<title>By: Herecy: the best way to evangelize&#8230;&#8230;..(not) &#171; Growing Up Slowly Learning More Every Day</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 23:00:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Timmy Brister</title>
		<link>http://timmybrister.com/2007/07/24/monergism-t-shirts-and-theology/#comment-9606</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Timmy Brister]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 22:50:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Stephen, 

Here&#039;s the t-shirt I was referring to:

http://derekwebb.musiccitynetworks.com/index.htm?inc=80&amp;prod_id=1184&amp;sid=7015]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stephen, </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the t-shirt I was referring to:</p>
<p><a href="http://derekwebb.musiccitynetworks.com/index.htm?inc=80&#038;prod_id=1184&#038;sid=7015" rel="nofollow">http://derekwebb.musiccitynetworks.com/index.htm?inc=80&#038;prod_id=1184&#038;sid=7015</a></p>
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		<title>By: stephen cavness</title>
		<link>http://timmybrister.com/2007/07/24/monergism-t-shirts-and-theology/#comment-9605</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[stephen cavness]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 22:47:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[there are no &quot;christian t-shirts&quot; on derek&#039;s site.
 only a t-shirt with the name of one of his albums.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>there are no &#8220;christian t-shirts&#8221; on derek&#8217;s site.<br />
 only a t-shirt with the name of one of his albums.</p>
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		<title>By: Timmy Brister</title>
		<link>http://timmybrister.com/2007/07/24/monergism-t-shirts-and-theology/#comment-9601</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Timmy Brister]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 20:19:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Letitia,

There have been some attention given to the arts of late.  There is also a prof here at SBTS writing a book on Christian aesthetics.  Here are some that are out there that come to my mind:

Daniel Treier, ed.&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/Beauty-God-Theology-Arts/dp/0830828435/ref=sr_1_1/103-4432000-0370217?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1185307178&amp;sr=8-1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Beauty of God: Theology and the Arts&lt;/a&gt;

Francis Schaeffer - &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/Art-Bible-Two-Essays-Classics/dp/083083401X/ref=pd_sim_b_2_img/103-4432000-0370217?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1185307251&amp;sr=1-1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Art and the Bible&lt;/a&gt;

Phil Ryken - &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/Art-Gods-Sake-Call-Recover/dp/1596380071/ref=sr_1_1/103-4432000-0370217?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1185307251&amp;sr=1-1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Art for God&#039;s Sake&lt;/a&gt;

Franky Schaeffer - &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/Addicted-Mediocrity-Contemporary-Christians-Arts/dp/0891073531/ref=pd_sim_b_3_img/103-4432000-0370217?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1185307251&amp;sr=1-1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Addicted to Mediocrity: Contemporary Christians and the Arts&lt;/a&gt;

Gene Edward Veith - &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/State-Arts-Mapplethorpe-Christian-Worldview/dp/0891076085/ref=pd_sim_b_1/103-4432000-0370217?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1185307251&amp;sr=1-1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;State of the Arts&lt;/a&gt;

Steve Turner - &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/Imagine-Vision-Christians-Steve-Turner/dp/0830822917/ref=pd_sim_b_5/103-4432000-0370217?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1185307251&amp;sr=1-1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Imagine: A Vision for Christians in the Arts&lt;/a&gt;

Nicholas Wolterstorff - &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/Art-Action-Toward-Christian-Aesthetic/dp/0802818161/ref=pd_sim_b_2/103-4432000-0370217?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1185307251&amp;sr=1-1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Art in Action: Toward a Christian Aesthetic&lt;/a&gt;

William Dyrness - &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/Visual-Faith-Theology-Dialogue-Engaging/dp/0801022975/ref=pd_sim_b_1/103-4432000-0370217?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1185307251&amp;sr=1-1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Visual Faith: Art, Theology, and Worship in Dialogue
&lt;/a&gt;

Gesa Elsbeth Thiessen - &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/Theological-Aesthetics-Gesa-Elsbeth-Thiessen/dp/0802828884/ref=pd_sim_b_4/103-4432000-0370217?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1185307251&amp;sr=1-1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Theological Aesthetics: A Reader&lt;/a&gt;

Frank Burch Brown - &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/Good-Taste-Bad-Christian-Aesthetics/dp/0195158725/ref=pd_sim_b_5/103-4432000-0370217?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1185307251&amp;sr=1-1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Good Taste, Bad Taste, and Christian Taste: Aesthetics in Religious Life&lt;/a&gt;

H. R. Rookmaaker - &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/Modern-Art-Death-Culture-Rookmaaker/dp/0891077995/ref=pd_sim_b_5/103-4432000-0370217?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1185307251&amp;sr=1-1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Modern Art and the Death of a Culture&lt;/a&gt;

There are some others out there, but if you are wanting to read up on theological aesthetics and relationship of theology and the arts, here&#039;s a good launching point.  ;)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Letitia,</p>
<p>There have been some attention given to the arts of late.  There is also a prof here at SBTS writing a book on Christian aesthetics.  Here are some that are out there that come to my mind:</p>
<p>Daniel Treier, ed.<a href="http://www.amazon.com/Beauty-God-Theology-Arts/dp/0830828435/ref=sr_1_1/103-4432000-0370217?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1185307178&amp;sr=8-1" rel="nofollow">The Beauty of God: Theology and the Arts</a></p>
<p>Francis Schaeffer &#8211; <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Art-Bible-Two-Essays-Classics/dp/083083401X/ref=pd_sim_b_2_img/103-4432000-0370217?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1185307251&amp;sr=1-1" rel="nofollow">Art and the Bible</a></p>
<p>Phil Ryken &#8211; <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Art-Gods-Sake-Call-Recover/dp/1596380071/ref=sr_1_1/103-4432000-0370217?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1185307251&amp;sr=1-1" rel="nofollow">Art for God&#8217;s Sake</a></p>
<p>Franky Schaeffer &#8211; <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Addicted-Mediocrity-Contemporary-Christians-Arts/dp/0891073531/ref=pd_sim_b_3_img/103-4432000-0370217?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1185307251&amp;sr=1-1" rel="nofollow">Addicted to Mediocrity: Contemporary Christians and the Arts</a></p>
<p>Gene Edward Veith &#8211; <a href="http://www.amazon.com/State-Arts-Mapplethorpe-Christian-Worldview/dp/0891076085/ref=pd_sim_b_1/103-4432000-0370217?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1185307251&amp;sr=1-1" rel="nofollow">State of the Arts</a></p>
<p>Steve Turner &#8211; <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Imagine-Vision-Christians-Steve-Turner/dp/0830822917/ref=pd_sim_b_5/103-4432000-0370217?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1185307251&amp;sr=1-1" rel="nofollow">Imagine: A Vision for Christians in the Arts</a></p>
<p>Nicholas Wolterstorff &#8211; <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Art-Action-Toward-Christian-Aesthetic/dp/0802818161/ref=pd_sim_b_2/103-4432000-0370217?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1185307251&amp;sr=1-1" rel="nofollow">Art in Action: Toward a Christian Aesthetic</a></p>
<p>William Dyrness &#8211; <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Visual-Faith-Theology-Dialogue-Engaging/dp/0801022975/ref=pd_sim_b_1/103-4432000-0370217?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1185307251&amp;sr=1-1" rel="nofollow">Visual Faith: Art, Theology, and Worship in Dialogue<br />
</a></p>
<p>Gesa Elsbeth Thiessen &#8211; <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Theological-Aesthetics-Gesa-Elsbeth-Thiessen/dp/0802828884/ref=pd_sim_b_4/103-4432000-0370217?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1185307251&amp;sr=1-1" rel="nofollow">Theological Aesthetics: A Reader</a></p>
<p>Frank Burch Brown &#8211; <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Good-Taste-Bad-Christian-Aesthetics/dp/0195158725/ref=pd_sim_b_5/103-4432000-0370217?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1185307251&amp;sr=1-1" rel="nofollow">Good Taste, Bad Taste, and Christian Taste: Aesthetics in Religious Life</a></p>
<p>H. R. Rookmaaker &#8211; <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Modern-Art-Death-Culture-Rookmaaker/dp/0891077995/ref=pd_sim_b_5/103-4432000-0370217?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1185307251&amp;sr=1-1" rel="nofollow">Modern Art and the Death of a Culture</a></p>
<p>There are some others out there, but if you are wanting to read up on theological aesthetics and relationship of theology and the arts, here&#8217;s a good launching point.  <img src='http://s1.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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