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	<title>Comments on: On Hitting Homiletical Home Runs</title>
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		<title>By: jason allen</title>
		<link>http://timmybrister.com/2007/07/11/on-hitting-homiletical-home-runs/#comment-31759</link>
		<dc:creator>jason allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Dec 2007 22:12:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was wondering if you might elaborate on the implications of the team of interns and the pastor who would craft the sermon together as a team.  Is that the same thing as the plagiarism charge?  It seemed you considered it a negative practice, but could you elaborate and clarify for me?

thanks for the post, very helpful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was wondering if you might elaborate on the implications of the team of interns and the pastor who would craft the sermon together as a team.  Is that the same thing as the plagiarism charge?  It seemed you considered it a negative practice, but could you elaborate and clarify for me?</p>
<p>thanks for the post, very helpful.</p>
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		<title>By: Perry McCall</title>
		<link>http://timmybrister.com/2007/07/11/on-hitting-homiletical-home-runs/#comment-9276</link>
		<dc:creator>Perry McCall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2007 22:21:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Me too! Ah, to have interns to discuss passages with......dream, dream, dream.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Me too! Ah, to have interns to discuss passages with&#8230;&#8230;dream, dream, dream&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Timmy Brister</title>
		<link>http://timmybrister.com/2007/07/11/on-hitting-homiletical-home-runs/#comment-9267</link>
		<dc:creator>Timmy Brister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2007 18:29:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perry,

I understand your point.  I guess there should be a clarification on what your interns should and should not do.  Anything that circumvents the process of you (the pastor) getting into God's Word in my mind should be avoided.  I see the benefit of having interns discuss the passage with you, study it alongside you, adding their observations or thoughts on a text.  But I find this approach much different from having them function as a substitute for the work of sermon preparation that a preacher himself should be committing himself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perry,</p>
<p>I understand your point.  I guess there should be a clarification on what your interns should and should not do.  Anything that circumvents the process of you (the pastor) getting into God&#8217;s Word in my mind should be avoided.  I see the benefit of having interns discuss the passage with you, study it alongside you, adding their observations or thoughts on a text.  But I find this approach much different from having them function as a substitute for the work of sermon preparation that a preacher himself should be committing himself.</p>
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		<title>By: Perry McCall</title>
		<link>http://timmybrister.com/2007/07/11/on-hitting-homiletical-home-runs/#comment-9264</link>
		<dc:creator>Perry McCall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2007 13:45:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Timmy,
I am a pastor and I agree with your post and the seriousness of this issue. 

I do want to comment on the use of the interns. I don't know the specifics of this example and I think that the dangers are almost self-evident. However, I can see great potential (if resources allowed) in a seasoned pastor utilizing young pastors/preachers in developing sermons. The danger of course is in using it as a short cut or as a personal speech writing staff. But the opportunity for training the young men and stretching old veteran is worth a prayerful attempt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Timmy,<br />
I am a pastor and I agree with your post and the seriousness of this issue. </p>
<p>I do want to comment on the use of the interns. I don&#8217;t know the specifics of this example and I think that the dangers are almost self-evident. However, I can see great potential (if resources allowed) in a seasoned pastor utilizing young pastors/preachers in developing sermons. The danger of course is in using it as a short cut or as a personal speech writing staff. But the opportunity for training the young men and stretching old veteran is worth a prayerful attempt.</p>
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		<title>By: Timmy Brister</title>
		<link>http://timmybrister.com/2007/07/11/on-hitting-homiletical-home-runs/#comment-9253</link>
		<dc:creator>Timmy Brister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2007 07:35:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One more quote from "Preaching Basics for Church Planters"

http://www.churchplantingvillage.net/atf/cf/%7B087EF6B4-D6E5-4BBF-BED1-7983D360F394%7D/How%20to%20Preach%20in%20the%2021st%20Century.doc 

"Church planters are required to have messages of excellence every week.  In sales, you are only as good as your last sale.  In church planting, you are only as good as your last effective sermon. . . .The person in the congregation will judge your message against a message they have heard on the radio or television.  It may not be fair.  After all, that speaker has only one primary job, to preach.  Most of the time they have an entire staff to help craft the message.  Therefore, take advantage of every short-cut you can without resulting to plagiarism."

Now, to be fair, the majority of the article is not bad at all.  But I found this quote to be particularly telling in light of my post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One more quote from &#8220;Preaching Basics for Church Planters&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.churchplantingvillage.net/atf/cf/%7B087EF6B4-D6E5-4BBF-BED1-7983D360F394%7D/How%20to%20Preach%20in%20the%2021st%20Century.doc" rel="nofollow">http://www.churchplantingvillage.net/atf/cf/%7B087EF6B4-D6E5-4BBF-BED1-7983D360F394%7D/How%20to%20Preach%20in%20the%2021st%20Century.doc</a> </p>
<p>&#8220;Church planters are required to have messages of excellence every week.  In sales, you are only as good as your last sale.  In church planting, you are only as good as your last effective sermon. . . .The person in the congregation will judge your message against a message they have heard on the radio or television.  It may not be fair.  After all, that speaker has only one primary job, to preach.  Most of the time they have an entire staff to help craft the message.  Therefore, take advantage of every short-cut you can without resulting to plagiarism.&#8221;</p>
<p>Now, to be fair, the majority of the article is not bad at all.  But I found this quote to be particularly telling in light of my post.</p>
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		<title>By: Timmy Brister</title>
		<link>http://timmybrister.com/2007/07/11/on-hitting-homiletical-home-runs/#comment-9252</link>
		<dc:creator>Timmy Brister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2007 07:26:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr. Van Neste,

While perusing some church planting resources, I came across this article in &lt;i&gt;The Christian Index&lt;/i&gt; dated November 9, 2006.  Here it is:

http://www.christianindex.org/2733.article

A quote from the article:

“Why do some become tempted to plagiarize? Many feel intense pressure from their congregations &lt;strong&gt;to hit a home run&lt;/strong&gt; twice every Sunday and again on Wednesday night. In today’s entertainment-driven society, many church members expect it as their right to be entertained, inspired, and motivated every time they attend worship.  They will not waste their time in a church that does not give them 100 percent, 100 percent of the time. It’s not fair, but that’s the way it is.”

It is interesting to note that this article was linked from NAMB's Church Planting Village under the section entitled "The Sermon Shop."  Here's the link:

http://www.churchplantingvillage.net/site/c.iiJTKZPEJpH/b.1360463/k.55C3/The_Sermon_Shop__Main.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Van Neste,</p>
<p>While perusing some church planting resources, I came across this article in <i>The Christian Index</i> dated November 9, 2006.  Here it is:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.christianindex.org/2733.article" rel="nofollow">http://www.christianindex.org/2733.article</a></p>
<p>A quote from the article:</p>
<p>“Why do some become tempted to plagiarize? Many feel intense pressure from their congregations <strong>to hit a home run</strong> twice every Sunday and again on Wednesday night. In today’s entertainment-driven society, many church members expect it as their right to be entertained, inspired, and motivated every time they attend worship.  They will not waste their time in a church that does not give them 100 percent, 100 percent of the time. It’s not fair, but that’s the way it is.”</p>
<p>It is interesting to note that this article was linked from NAMB&#8217;s Church Planting Village under the section entitled &#8220;The Sermon Shop.&#8221;  Here&#8217;s the link:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.churchplantingvillage.net/site/c.iiJTKZPEJpH/b.1360463/k.55C3/The_Sermon_Shop__Main.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.churchplantingvillage.net/site/c.iiJTKZPEJpH/b.1360463/k.55C3/The_Sermon_Shop__Main.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://timmybrister.com/2007/07/11/on-hitting-homiletical-home-runs/#comment-9243</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2007 02:41:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said, and well needed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said, and well needed.</p>
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		<title>By: Timmy Brister</title>
		<link>http://timmybrister.com/2007/07/11/on-hitting-homiletical-home-runs/#comment-9242</link>
		<dc:creator>Timmy Brister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2007 02:40:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very true Mike.  By any human standards, I don't think the message, "Yet forty days, and Ninevah shall be overthrown!" would a "home run"!  Yet that is what God sent Jonah to preach.  

And might I add, their response was not, "Man, what a dynamic preacher he is!"  but rather a turning from evil ways and crying out to God in repentance.  

And I don't think if Jonah had that message for sale or to copy that many folks would be plagiarizing it either.  When was the last time you heard a plagiarized sermon warning the overthrow of a city?!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very true Mike.  By any human standards, I don&#8217;t think the message, &#8220;Yet forty days, and Ninevah shall be overthrown!&#8221; would a &#8220;home run&#8221;!  Yet that is what God sent Jonah to preach.  </p>
<p>And might I add, their response was not, &#8220;Man, what a dynamic preacher he is!&#8221;  but rather a turning from evil ways and crying out to God in repentance.  </p>
<p>And I don&#8217;t think if Jonah had that message for sale or to copy that many folks would be plagiarizing it either.  When was the last time you heard a plagiarized sermon warning the overthrow of a city?!</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Hatfield</title>
		<link>http://timmybrister.com/2007/07/11/on-hitting-homiletical-home-runs/#comment-9236</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Hatfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jul 2007 23:00:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe that pastors who feel they must KnockaHoma every Sunday are putting too much emphasis in their own abilities instead of the power of the Holy Spirit. 

 Not that there should not be fervent preparation, but when you have done your homilywork, bathed it in prayer, and presented it to the best of you abilities with power, conviction and passion.  Whether it is a homer or a squibber, God’s Word will not return to Him void, but will accomplish the purpose for which He intended.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe that pastors who feel they must KnockaHoma every Sunday are putting too much emphasis in their own abilities instead of the power of the Holy Spirit. </p>
<p> Not that there should not be fervent preparation, but when you have done your homilywork, bathed it in prayer, and presented it to the best of you abilities with power, conviction and passion.  Whether it is a homer or a squibber, God’s Word will not return to Him void, but will accomplish the purpose for which He intended.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray Van Neste</title>
		<link>http://timmybrister.com/2007/07/11/on-hitting-homiletical-home-runs/#comment-9101</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray Van Neste</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2007 04:04:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right with you Timmy!  I continue to be astounded by those who defend this practice.  Merritt's comments are particularly pointed because his state Bapt paper ran a story that basically said this is not all that bad.  I don't have the web address for the story with me though I think I referenced it at my blog at the time.
Your last point in the most recent comment is one of the key issues.  Do we want talking heads or true pastors speaking to the needs of their sheep whom they know- but then again assuming that pastors know their people calls into question much else in current American church.
Keep it up!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right with you Timmy!  I continue to be astounded by those who defend this practice.  Merritt&#8217;s comments are particularly pointed because his state Bapt paper ran a story that basically said this is not all that bad.  I don&#8217;t have the web address for the story with me though I think I referenced it at my blog at the time.<br />
Your last point in the most recent comment is one of the key issues.  Do we want talking heads or true pastors speaking to the needs of their sheep whom they know- but then again assuming that pastors know their people calls into question much else in current American church.<br />
Keep it up!</p>
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