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		<title>By: Your Thoughts on San Antonio &#171; Provocations &#38; Pantings</title>
		<link>http://timmybrister.com/2007/05/31/devil-in-a-baptist-press/#comment-7572</link>
		<dc:creator>Your Thoughts on San Antonio &#171; Provocations &#38; Pantings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2007 20:33:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Thoughts on San&#160;Antonio   UPDATE: Remember Doug Baker&#8217;s article that Baptist Press censored?  Well, Christianity Today has chosen to carry it for us.   Too bad we have to outsource our [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Thoughts on San&nbsp;Antonio   UPDATE: Remember Doug Baker&#8217;s article that Baptist Press censored?  Well, Christianity Today has chosen to carry it for us.   Too bad we have to outsource our [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Timmy Brister</title>
		<link>http://timmybrister.com/2007/05/31/devil-in-a-baptist-press/#comment-7550</link>
		<dc:creator>Timmy Brister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2007 17:03:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guillaume,

I am not sure I understand the rationale of your comment.  Who are "they"?  And to whom are you directing the comment?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guillaume,</p>
<p>I am not sure I understand the rationale of your comment.  Who are &#8220;they&#8221;?  And to whom are you directing the comment?</p>
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		<title>By: G. F. McDowell</title>
		<link>http://timmybrister.com/2007/05/31/devil-in-a-baptist-press/#comment-7547</link>
		<dc:creator>G. F. McDowell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2007 16:37:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wait a minute, they're from Vermont.  Why is it I've never heard of them?  Probably because they're another single-family ultrafundamentalist church.  The Green Mountain Baptist Association has 35 churches in it representing the SBC in the state of Vermont, and only four of them are substantially more than single family churches.  Here's an example, this church is in South Burlington, VT, in Vermont's most populated county: http://www.vermontbaptist.org/churches/newcovenant.shtml

Here is an example of a healthy vermont church in the same county (other than my home church), notice how even sunday school attendance far outstrips membership:
http://www.vermontbaptist.org/churches/daybreak.shtml</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wait a minute, they&#8217;re from Vermont.  Why is it I&#8217;ve never heard of them?  Probably because they&#8217;re another single-family ultrafundamentalist church.  The Green Mountain Baptist Association has 35 churches in it representing the SBC in the state of Vermont, and only four of them are substantially more than single family churches.  Here&#8217;s an example, this church is in South Burlington, VT, in Vermont&#8217;s most populated county: <a href="http://www.vermontbaptist.org/churches/newcovenant.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.vermontbaptist.org/churches/newcovenant.shtml</a></p>
<p>Here is an example of a healthy vermont church in the same county (other than my home church), notice how even sunday school attendance far outstrips membership:<br />
<a href="http://www.vermontbaptist.org/churches/daybreak.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.vermontbaptist.org/churches/daybreak.shtml</a></p>
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		<title>By: Timmy Brister</title>
		<link>http://timmybrister.com/2007/05/31/devil-in-a-baptist-press/#comment-7120</link>
		<dc:creator>Timmy Brister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jun 2007 20:49:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Arron, 

Yes, I have heard of this group of extreme hyper-Calvinists.  In fact, I first found out about them through my blog.  For details see the comments of this post (Andrew C. Bain is from Outside the Camp):

&lt;a href="http://timmybrister.com/2005/10/20/jack-graham-comes-to-southern-seminary-part-two/" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://timmybrister.com/2005/10/20/jack-graham-comes-to-southern-seminary-part-two/&lt;/a&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Arron, </p>
<p>Yes, I have heard of this group of extreme hyper-Calvinists.  In fact, I first found out about them through my blog.  For details see the comments of this post (Andrew C. Bain is from Outside the Camp):</p>
<p><a href="http://timmybrister.com/2005/10/20/jack-graham-comes-to-southern-seminary-part-two/" rel="nofollow">http://timmybrister.com/2005/10/20/jack-graham-comes-to-southern-seminary-part-two/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Timmy Brister</title>
		<link>http://timmybrister.com/2007/05/31/devil-in-a-baptist-press/#comment-7119</link>
		<dc:creator>Timmy Brister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jun 2007 20:47:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Per request and due to the nature of our conversation, I have taken the comments made by Mark Rogers and myself offline.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Per request and due to the nature of our conversation, I have taken the comments made by Mark Rogers and myself offline.</p>
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		<title>By: Arron Powell</title>
		<link>http://timmybrister.com/2007/05/31/devil-in-a-baptist-press/#comment-7116</link>
		<dc:creator>Arron Powell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jun 2007 19:44:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't know whether this was by design, but check out outsidethecamp.org.  SCARY folks.  Talk about leaving Christ outside the camp...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know whether this was by design, but check out outsidethecamp.org.  SCARY folks.  Talk about leaving Christ outside the camp&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: gavin</title>
		<link>http://timmybrister.com/2007/05/31/devil-in-a-baptist-press/#comment-7047</link>
		<dc:creator>gavin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 14:52:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim,

Very good post. I am past tired of the straw man arguments employed by Ergun (a la White &#38; Ascol).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim,</p>
<p>Very good post. I am past tired of the straw man arguments employed by Ergun (a la White &amp; Ascol).</p>
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		<title>By: Klay Aspinwall</title>
		<link>http://timmybrister.com/2007/05/31/devil-in-a-baptist-press/#comment-7042</link>
		<dc:creator>Klay Aspinwall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 14:39:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am very discouraged by the lack of integrity and balance in Baptist journalism.  When reporting on others (including CBF) they seek to be journalists, but in SBC-related issues they are only newsletter supporters.  

This deplorable situation recently became evident through an ABC News investigation of sexual molestation in the SBC.  Although ABC was slanted and perhaps unfair in their treatment, why did I have to hear about this problem through the secular media?  Isn't judgment to begin in the house of God?  Doesn't our inability to hold ourselves in account violate the principle underlying 1Cor. 6.4-6?

Scripture tells us: "Those who continue in sin, rebuke in the presence of all, so that the rest also may be fearful of sinning." (1 Timothy 5:20 NASB).  Are we no better than the Romans who turn a blind eye to problems and sin in their midst?  Do we seriously think that we will escape judgment for constantly picking at the specks in others' eyes while we ignore and silence critique on the beams in our own?

I very nearly wrote a Resolution for San Antonio addressing these issues, but decided to wait one more year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am very discouraged by the lack of integrity and balance in Baptist journalism.  When reporting on others (including CBF) they seek to be journalists, but in SBC-related issues they are only newsletter supporters.  </p>
<p>This deplorable situation recently became evident through an ABC News investigation of sexual molestation in the SBC.  Although ABC was slanted and perhaps unfair in their treatment, why did I have to hear about this problem through the secular media?  Isn&#8217;t judgment to begin in the house of God?  Doesn&#8217;t our inability to hold ourselves in account violate the principle underlying 1Cor. 6.4-6?</p>
<p>Scripture tells us: &#8220;Those who continue in sin, rebuke in the presence of all, so that the rest also may be fearful of sinning.&#8221; (1 Timothy 5:20 NASB).  Are we no better than the Romans who turn a blind eye to problems and sin in their midst?  Do we seriously think that we will escape judgment for constantly picking at the specks in others&#8217; eyes while we ignore and silence critique on the beams in our own?</p>
<p>I very nearly wrote a Resolution for San Antonio addressing these issues, but decided to wait one more year.</p>
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		<title>By: Timmy Brister</title>
		<link>http://timmybrister.com/2007/05/31/devil-in-a-baptist-press/#comment-7025</link>
		<dc:creator>Timmy Brister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 09:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adam,

The article was removed.  It was taken down by the editor of Baptist Press.  Baker’s “First Person” article was posted the same time as Ergun Caner’s.  The fact is that the article was taken down for other reasons than aforementioned in my post (plagiarism or inaccurate statements).  

I appreicate your concern, but had I believed I was jumping the gun in what I have said, I would not have posted it.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adam,</p>
<p>The article was removed.  It was taken down by the editor of Baptist Press.  Baker’s “First Person” article was posted the same time as Ergun Caner’s.  The fact is that the article was taken down for other reasons than aforementioned in my post (plagiarism or inaccurate statements).  </p>
<p>I appreicate your concern, but had I believed I was jumping the gun in what I have said, I would not have posted it.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Winters</title>
		<link>http://timmybrister.com/2007/05/31/devil-in-a-baptist-press/#comment-7023</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Winters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 06:47:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe we're jumping the gun here.  How long has Baker's article been down?  Has it just been moved off the front page?  The fact is that the article was posted and now it is down.  The reason is unclear for the time being.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe we&#8217;re jumping the gun here.  How long has Baker&#8217;s article been down?  Has it just been moved off the front page?  The fact is that the article was posted and now it is down.  The reason is unclear for the time being.</p>
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