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	<title>Comments on: The Love of Idols</title>
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		<title>By: Jim Pemberton</title>
		<link>http://timmybrister.com/2007/04/26/the-love-of-idols/#comment-5042</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Pemberton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 14:36:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you're on the right track here. Put this in terms of what glorifies, not everything that is pleasant to us glorifies God. Furthermore, God is often glorified by that which is not pleasant to us. For example, American Idol is pleasant to us, but it glorifies the "idols", I would argue, rather than God. Also, the cross is certainly not pleasant to us, but it glorifies God. If my oldest son were killed, perhaps I would be tempted to question how God could let a "bad" thing like that happen? But how do I know it's bad? It's merely unpleasant to me. My son no longer has to deal with a sinful world and he would be disposed to the hand of a gracious God for judgment. Is that so bad for him? What glorified God when the expensive oil was poured over Jesus' head? The argument that the oil could be used to help the poor is easily one that we would hear - or even make ourselves. However, Christ quickly dismissed the argument. God's economy is not our own. If we seek the Kingdom of God and his righteousness first, the rest will be added - and I would observe: according to His will.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you&#8217;re on the right track here. Put this in terms of what glorifies, not everything that is pleasant to us glorifies God. Furthermore, God is often glorified by that which is not pleasant to us. For example, American Idol is pleasant to us, but it glorifies the &#8220;idols&#8221;, I would argue, rather than God. Also, the cross is certainly not pleasant to us, but it glorifies God. If my oldest son were killed, perhaps I would be tempted to question how God could let a &#8220;bad&#8221; thing like that happen? But how do I know it&#8217;s bad? It&#8217;s merely unpleasant to me. My son no longer has to deal with a sinful world and he would be disposed to the hand of a gracious God for judgment. Is that so bad for him? What glorified God when the expensive oil was poured over Jesus&#8217; head? The argument that the oil could be used to help the poor is easily one that we would hear - or even make ourselves. However, Christ quickly dismissed the argument. God&#8217;s economy is not our own. If we seek the Kingdom of God and his righteousness first, the rest will be added - and I would observe: according to His will.</p>
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		<title>By: Timmy Brister</title>
		<link>http://timmybrister.com/2007/04/26/the-love-of-idols/#comment-5023</link>
		<dc:creator>Timmy Brister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 02:46:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, sort of.  I actually was completing my footnote file.  I have a horrible way of writing papers.  I read everything I can in the short time I have; then I type up the footnotes I marked as relevant to my paper topic.  In this case, since Sunday I have typed 389 footnotes which totaled 84 pages in all.  I then had to go categorize them, provide some structural outline with pagination, and then begin sorting them in a microscopic manner.  So I am constantly condensing my research and analysis.  Then of course comes the paper.  

So during Idol, I was going over what Henry was saying on the very issues before my eyes on Idol.  It was like Henry was whispering in my ear . . . or something like that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, sort of.  I actually was completing my footnote file.  I have a horrible way of writing papers.  I read everything I can in the short time I have; then I type up the footnotes I marked as relevant to my paper topic.  In this case, since Sunday I have typed 389 footnotes which totaled 84 pages in all.  I then had to go categorize them, provide some structural outline with pagination, and then begin sorting them in a microscopic manner.  So I am constantly condensing my research and analysis.  Then of course comes the paper.  </p>
<p>So during Idol, I was going over what Henry was saying on the very issues before my eyes on Idol.  It was like Henry was whispering in my ear . . . or something like that.</p>
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		<title>By: excogitatingengineer</title>
		<link>http://timmybrister.com/2007/04/26/the-love-of-idols/#comment-5021</link>
		<dc:creator>excogitatingengineer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 02:40:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm just impressed that you could write a paper while watching that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m just impressed that you could write a paper while watching that.</p>
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		<title>By: Timmy Brister</title>
		<link>http://timmybrister.com/2007/04/26/the-love-of-idols/#comment-5017</link>
		<dc:creator>Timmy Brister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2007 22:51:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan,

Man it's good to see you on P&#38;P.  :)

I agree that it is great to see people, Chriatian or not, pick up the call to "love their neighbor" and give tangible expressions of that in monetary contributions.  However, every organization that involves itself in the work of helping in whatever causes does so with certain principles and presuppositions.  The Christian's understanding of justice and love, of benevolence and mercy, of service and giving, is bound up in the character of God, in the revealed truths of Scripture, and in the person and work of Jesus Christ.  As Christians, the message we should be bringing to those dying of AIDS for example is not just we can offer medical aid to prevent premature death, but present to them the One who overcame death through his death and resurrection.  We should also, for example, not just go to people with diseases such as malaria and offer them cures which only will benefit their body, but offer them the cure for the diease of sin as Christ is the Great Physician.  

Such caring for the soul as well as the body is something non-Christians cannot offer.  Furthermore, the framework of beliefs/principles in which they practice their work is fundamentally on non-redemptive grounds.  For those who cannot offer anything for the life to come, they can only hope for their "best life now."  But suffering or not, the Christian can tell people there is life after death and (a certain) hope beyond the grave where sin has been defeated and where justice and righteousness reigns.  

Anyway, that's just some of what I've been thinking.  Due to the fact that we are all created in the image of God and that common grace is extended to all men regardless of whether they are believers is an important reminder that "good" work can be done in that sense.  I will say, however, when you mention that when a good thing is being done, a sermon does not need to be attached to it, it is a little misleading, don't you think?  For in the very doing of that good work, you are proclaiming something to that person.  You are in a sense preaching a sermon.  Yet that implicit message ought to be made explicit through the communication of what and why that good deed is being done.  Some will say, "This is given for you on behalf of the good people who watch American Idol."  Others will say, "This is given you on behalf of ___________" (insert celebrity name).  So there's a sermon in any case.  For the Christian, however, the sermon says, "This is give for you on behalf of Jesus Christ who can not only satisfy your body but your souls as well."  

Make sense?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan,</p>
<p>Man it&#8217;s good to see you on P&amp;P.   <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I agree that it is great to see people, Chriatian or not, pick up the call to &#8220;love their neighbor&#8221; and give tangible expressions of that in monetary contributions.  However, every organization that involves itself in the work of helping in whatever causes does so with certain principles and presuppositions.  The Christian&#8217;s understanding of justice and love, of benevolence and mercy, of service and giving, is bound up in the character of God, in the revealed truths of Scripture, and in the person and work of Jesus Christ.  As Christians, the message we should be bringing to those dying of AIDS for example is not just we can offer medical aid to prevent premature death, but present to them the One who overcame death through his death and resurrection.  We should also, for example, not just go to people with diseases such as malaria and offer them cures which only will benefit their body, but offer them the cure for the diease of sin as Christ is the Great Physician.  </p>
<p>Such caring for the soul as well as the body is something non-Christians cannot offer.  Furthermore, the framework of beliefs/principles in which they practice their work is fundamentally on non-redemptive grounds.  For those who cannot offer anything for the life to come, they can only hope for their &#8220;best life now.&#8221;  But suffering or not, the Christian can tell people there is life after death and (a certain) hope beyond the grave where sin has been defeated and where justice and righteousness reigns.  </p>
<p>Anyway, that&#8217;s just some of what I&#8217;ve been thinking.  Due to the fact that we are all created in the image of God and that common grace is extended to all men regardless of whether they are believers is an important reminder that &#8220;good&#8221; work can be done in that sense.  I will say, however, when you mention that when a good thing is being done, a sermon does not need to be attached to it, it is a little misleading, don&#8217;t you think?  For in the very doing of that good work, you are proclaiming something to that person.  You are in a sense preaching a sermon.  Yet that implicit message ought to be made explicit through the communication of what and why that good deed is being done.  Some will say, &#8220;This is given for you on behalf of the good people who watch American Idol.&#8221;  Others will say, &#8220;This is given you on behalf of ___________&#8221; (insert celebrity name).  So there&#8217;s a sermon in any case.  For the Christian, however, the sermon says, &#8220;This is give for you on behalf of Jesus Christ who can not only satisfy your body but your souls as well.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Make sense?</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Canales</title>
		<link>http://timmybrister.com/2007/04/26/the-love-of-idols/#comment-5015</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Canales</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2007 21:48:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am of the opinion that all good, regardless of who commits it, is of the Hand of God.  I can't help but see the Healer at work in all of this.  Good works don't necessarily need to be done by Christians in the name of Jesus Christ to be a good work done by God.  I say let the Good Work of God be done and make it a separate crusade to evangelize.  A work being good is not dependent on whether or not a sermon is attached to it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am of the opinion that all good, regardless of who commits it, is of the Hand of God.  I can&#8217;t help but see the Healer at work in all of this.  Good works don&#8217;t necessarily need to be done by Christians in the name of Jesus Christ to be a good work done by God.  I say let the Good Work of God be done and make it a separate crusade to evangelize.  A work being good is not dependent on whether or not a sermon is attached to it.</p>
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