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		<title>By: Preaching Predators &#124; Bowden McElroy</title>
		<link>http://timmybrister.com/2007/04/14/southern-baptist-sex-offenders/#comment-37666</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Preaching Predators &#124; Bowden McElroy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 03:13:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Dan Barnett</title>
		<link>http://timmybrister.com/2007/04/14/southern-baptist-sex-offenders/#comment-4435</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dan Barnett]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2007 18:40:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jeff, 
       I&#039;m mostly with G.F. on this.  I think you&#039;re anger needs to be checked at the door.  My opinion is that it&#039;s pretty sad that in these &quot;scandals&quot;, it takes the worldly media for the church to be aware of what&#039;s going on in its own walls.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff,<br />
       I&#8217;m mostly with G.F. on this.  I think you&#8217;re anger needs to be checked at the door.  My opinion is that it&#8217;s pretty sad that in these &#8220;scandals&#8221;, it takes the worldly media for the church to be aware of what&#8217;s going on in its own walls.</p>
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		<title>By: Preaching Predators at Counseling Notes</title>
		<link>http://timmybrister.com/2007/04/14/southern-baptist-sex-offenders/#comment-4430</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Preaching Predators at Counseling Notes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2007 17:37:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: G. F. McDowell</title>
		<link>http://timmybrister.com/2007/04/14/southern-baptist-sex-offenders/#comment-4427</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[G. F. McDowell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2007 17:17:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jeff, I realize my comment did sound haughty.  Yes, Christ came to forgive sinners, of which I am chief.  There is no sin, except blaspheming the Holy Spirit, that will not be forgiven in Christ.
  
My remarks about the ticking time bomb have to do with someone who is about to become a first-time offender.  A registry can do nothing to stop them.  Good discipleship and church discipline, which has restoration as its ultimate aim, can prevent these things.  

I have heard of a case in a christian high school where a pregnant girl was expelled, and the expulsion was carried out with an attitude of, &quot;How dare you defile our bastion of purity?&quot;  That is a reprehensible way to carry out a necessary action, and it&#039;s the idea most folks get when they think of church discipline.  I recommend you read Dr. Wills&#039; &lt;i&gt;Democratic Religion&lt;/i&gt; for a different view of church discipline.  

Your text, while reminding us all of what we once were before we were cleansed, makes an important point in my favor, and that is that if someone is committing sexual immorality or practicing homosexuality, he has not been cleansed, is not an heir to the Kingdom of heaven, and is not a believer.  Anyone who practices such things and claims to be a Christian is a wolf in sheep&#039;s clothing.  The two men named in the WHAS report are under &quot;supervised release&quot;.  They are still serving the sentence for their convictions.  That to me is a pretty clear sign that this is not something in the distant past for these men, and they have bigger fish to fry than to be preparing for the ministry.  I pray with you that I will finish the race well.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff, I realize my comment did sound haughty.  Yes, Christ came to forgive sinners, of which I am chief.  There is no sin, except blaspheming the Holy Spirit, that will not be forgiven in Christ.</p>
<p>My remarks about the ticking time bomb have to do with someone who is about to become a first-time offender.  A registry can do nothing to stop them.  Good discipleship and church discipline, which has restoration as its ultimate aim, can prevent these things.  </p>
<p>I have heard of a case in a christian high school where a pregnant girl was expelled, and the expulsion was carried out with an attitude of, &#8220;How dare you defile our bastion of purity?&#8221;  That is a reprehensible way to carry out a necessary action, and it&#8217;s the idea most folks get when they think of church discipline.  I recommend you read Dr. Wills&#8217; <i>Democratic Religion</i> for a different view of church discipline.  </p>
<p>Your text, while reminding us all of what we once were before we were cleansed, makes an important point in my favor, and that is that if someone is committing sexual immorality or practicing homosexuality, he has not been cleansed, is not an heir to the Kingdom of heaven, and is not a believer.  Anyone who practices such things and claims to be a Christian is a wolf in sheep&#8217;s clothing.  The two men named in the WHAS report are under &#8220;supervised release&#8221;.  They are still serving the sentence for their convictions.  That to me is a pretty clear sign that this is not something in the distant past for these men, and they have bigger fish to fry than to be preparing for the ministry.  I pray with you that I will finish the race well.</p>
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		<title>By: Timmy Brister</title>
		<link>http://timmybrister.com/2007/04/14/southern-baptist-sex-offenders/#comment-4405</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Timmy Brister]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2007 13:20:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks Stephen.  I will add your post to the list.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Stephen.  I will add your post to the list.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stephen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2007 13:16:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m sure that you can see above that I&#039;ve tried my hand at your question as to what we can do.  Hope my suggestions make sense.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sure that you can see above that I&#8217;ve tried my hand at your question as to what we can do.  Hope my suggestions make sense.</p>
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		<title>By: Predators: What Can We Do? &#171; The Silent Holocron</title>
		<link>http://timmybrister.com/2007/04/14/southern-baptist-sex-offenders/#comment-4400</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Predators: What Can We Do? &#171; The Silent Holocron]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2007 13:06:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Posted by Stephen on April 16th, 2007  The story of the weekend has been the alleged sex-abuse &#8220;scandal&#8221; in the Southern Baptist Convention. While (so far) nowhere near the severity of the recent Catholic scandal, all of us in the SBTS blogosphere &#8212; and I hope in the churches &#8212; are in agreement that if there is even one sex offender filling the role of minister in our churches, that is one too many. For an excellent collection of articles, videos and blog posts, see Timmy Brister&#8217;s compilation Southern Baptist Sex Offenders. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Posted by Stephen on April 16th, 2007  The story of the weekend has been the alleged sex-abuse &#8220;scandal&#8221; in the Southern Baptist Convention. While (so far) nowhere near the severity of the recent Catholic scandal, all of us in the SBTS blogosphere &#8212; and I hope in the churches &#8212; are in agreement that if there is even one sex offender filling the role of minister in our churches, that is one too many. For an excellent collection of articles, videos and blog posts, see Timmy Brister&#8217;s compilation Southern Baptist Sex Offenders. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Timmy Brister</title>
		<link>http://timmybrister.com/2007/04/14/southern-baptist-sex-offenders/#comment-4388</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Timmy Brister]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2007 11:15:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There is no doubt in my mind that the secular media loves any and every opportunity to rip into Christians, especially here in Louisville.  If there is the slightest chance to do an expose, they get giddy, and this is an assuption that we must realize anytime something like this happens.

Jeff,

Have realized that you copied and pasted your comment from SBF&#039;s post, I will not reply here as well.  You can find my comments and response on the SBF post.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no doubt in my mind that the secular media loves any and every opportunity to rip into Christians, especially here in Louisville.  If there is the slightest chance to do an expose, they get giddy, and this is an assuption that we must realize anytime something like this happens.</p>
<p>Jeff,</p>
<p>Have realized that you copied and pasted your comment from SBF&#8217;s post, I will not reply here as well.  You can find my comments and response on the SBF post.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2007 03:38:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This stuff makes me sick!  I am not going to be an apologist for sex offenders but I will defend my brothers in Christ until there is more than a news story.  I personally know one of the guys from Southern and I am as shocked as anyone but I am not ready to throw him to the wolves just yet.  &quot;The wolf in sheep&#039;s clothing&quot;. . . are you serious?!  &quot;The ticking time bomb&quot;, &quot;not acting on his impulses&quot;  give me a break.  What about &quot;if any man thinks he stands, take heed, unless he falls.&quot;?  As far as regenerate church membership goes, I thought what Paul said pretty well covered that, &quot;Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God&quot; Our justification in Christ cleans us from the guilt of our sin but it doesn&#039;t expunge the State of Kentucky or Tennessee or Ohio or any other criminal record so how does a regenerate church membership help this &quot;egregious&quot; problem?  I guess you guys better get your rocks ready to go, or do you already have them?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This stuff makes me sick!  I am not going to be an apologist for sex offenders but I will defend my brothers in Christ until there is more than a news story.  I personally know one of the guys from Southern and I am as shocked as anyone but I am not ready to throw him to the wolves just yet.  &#8220;The wolf in sheep&#8217;s clothing&#8221;. . . are you serious?!  &#8220;The ticking time bomb&#8221;, &#8220;not acting on his impulses&#8221;  give me a break.  What about &#8220;if any man thinks he stands, take heed, unless he falls.&#8221;?  As far as regenerate church membership goes, I thought what Paul said pretty well covered that, &#8220;Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God&#8221; Our justification in Christ cleans us from the guilt of our sin but it doesn&#8217;t expunge the State of Kentucky or Tennessee or Ohio or any other criminal record so how does a regenerate church membership help this &#8220;egregious&#8221; problem?  I guess you guys better get your rocks ready to go, or do you already have them?</p>
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		<title>By: G. F. McDowell</title>
		<link>http://timmybrister.com/2007/04/14/southern-baptist-sex-offenders/#comment-4345</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[G. F. McDowell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Apr 2007 21:34:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That WHAS piece was clearly a &quot;me-too&quot; piece, intended to make the seminary look bad.  Only two convicted sex offenders out of a campus population of 4000?  Take your typical Vermont town of 4000 people, you&#039;d probably see close to a dozen folks with criminal records for sex offenses.  Even two on this campus is deplorable, and one problem is, there isn&#039;t a reliable mechanism for alerting the administration of criminal convictions once someone is admitted.  It is up to the student to voluntarily disclose this information.  

A national Southern Baptist sex offender&#039;s registry would not guarantee that sexual abuse would stop for two reasons, 1. You can&#039;t force individual churches to make use of it on the hiring end.  2. Databases do nothing to catch the wolf in sheep&#039;s clothing, the ticking time bomb who has not yet acted on his impulses for the first time.  

A sex offender registry would be a good idea, at least for good public relations to be able to be seen to be &quot;doing something&quot; but it won&#039;t address the core of the problem, and that is unregenerate church members.  We are so hesitant to question someone&#039;s salvation that even when he has committed an egregious and notorious sin such as sexual abuse of children that demands he be excommunicated until he repents and shows works consistent with repentance, a local Baptist church is far more likely to quietly send the man on his merry way than to publicly confront and discipline the man.  

Recapturing regnerate church membership and church discipline are the keys to overcoming this egregious problem, not a database, although I do think we should have a database as a bare-minimum measure.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That WHAS piece was clearly a &#8220;me-too&#8221; piece, intended to make the seminary look bad.  Only two convicted sex offenders out of a campus population of 4000?  Take your typical Vermont town of 4000 people, you&#8217;d probably see close to a dozen folks with criminal records for sex offenses.  Even two on this campus is deplorable, and one problem is, there isn&#8217;t a reliable mechanism for alerting the administration of criminal convictions once someone is admitted.  It is up to the student to voluntarily disclose this information.  </p>
<p>A national Southern Baptist sex offender&#8217;s registry would not guarantee that sexual abuse would stop for two reasons, 1. You can&#8217;t force individual churches to make use of it on the hiring end.  2. Databases do nothing to catch the wolf in sheep&#8217;s clothing, the ticking time bomb who has not yet acted on his impulses for the first time.  </p>
<p>A sex offender registry would be a good idea, at least for good public relations to be able to be seen to be &#8220;doing something&#8221; but it won&#8217;t address the core of the problem, and that is unregenerate church members.  We are so hesitant to question someone&#8217;s salvation that even when he has committed an egregious and notorious sin such as sexual abuse of children that demands he be excommunicated until he repents and shows works consistent with repentance, a local Baptist church is far more likely to quietly send the man on his merry way than to publicly confront and discipline the man.  </p>
<p>Recapturing regnerate church membership and church discipline are the keys to overcoming this egregious problem, not a database, although I do think we should have a database as a bare-minimum measure.</p>
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