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	<title>Comments on: Baptist ID: Dr. Jim Shaddix on &#8220;The Future of the Traditional Church&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: 2007 Year in Review Analysis and Compilation &#171; Provocations &#38; Pantings</title>
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		<title>By: Chad Brooks</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Mar 2007 05:14:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I guess I am a late comer to this post....but I just listened to the podcast of Dr. Shaddix&#039;s message.  Coming from one of the more &quot;moderate&quot; SBC congregations in Louisiana, I feel slightly un-nerved by what Dr. Shaddix said.  I can identity with who he is, my father attended NOBTS around the same time as Dr. Shaddix recieving both his MDiv and D.Min there. They seem to be the same age and ministering around the same size congregations. 

I am one of the prodigal&#039;s that has left the SBC and decided to come back to it.  But I didn&#039;t come back with loving arms, and I didn&#039;t come back because I found nothing outside the SBC doctrinal viewpoint.  I simply was not willing to give up a few key SBC doctrinal viewpoinst, mainly the authority of the local church and the high level of missions emphasis.  

While I could have been identified as &quot;Emergent&quot; several years ago (and still am an active member in my local Emergent co-hort in lexington), I know identify myself as more ecumenical minded Christian that agrees with the Radical Orthodoxy project.  The things that I found interesting in more &quot;emergent&quot; (and I use that term sparingly, since there are no major points to acutually identify on) views, I now understand that alot of what I vibed with was just classical, consensual christianity.  I am a student at Asbury Theological Seminary right now and I plan to stay SBC through my tenure here and in my ministry after seminary.

My main point of contention with this message was how the phrase &#039;traditional&quot; was simply speaking of something that was common 50 years ago.  No Baptist worth their sweet tea and choir robe would say that the Christian Church began in the mid-1840&#039;s or reached it&#039;s climax in the 1950&#039;s.  If this is true, how can we cling to what has been a short lived viewpoint that is only held to be consensual by a small minority in the history of the Christian Church.  This is just one of my beliefs that will make me staying in the SBC hard, but it is not enough to make me want to leave the heritage that I grew up in.  Maybe this is just the difference between a Baptist raised in the coservative vs. the moderate Baptist Church.

But I do agree that Dr. Shaddix touched on many of the reason why people and even minsters my age have left the convention (I am 27).  These were good thoughts, but I am scared that it just segmented the views of the SBC facing the idea of postmodernity even more.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess I am a late comer to this post&#8230;.but I just listened to the podcast of Dr. Shaddix&#8217;s message.  Coming from one of the more &#8220;moderate&#8221; SBC congregations in Louisiana, I feel slightly un-nerved by what Dr. Shaddix said.  I can identity with who he is, my father attended NOBTS around the same time as Dr. Shaddix recieving both his MDiv and D.Min there. They seem to be the same age and ministering around the same size congregations. </p>
<p>I am one of the prodigal&#8217;s that has left the SBC and decided to come back to it.  But I didn&#8217;t come back with loving arms, and I didn&#8217;t come back because I found nothing outside the SBC doctrinal viewpoint.  I simply was not willing to give up a few key SBC doctrinal viewpoinst, mainly the authority of the local church and the high level of missions emphasis.  </p>
<p>While I could have been identified as &#8220;Emergent&#8221; several years ago (and still am an active member in my local Emergent co-hort in lexington), I know identify myself as more ecumenical minded Christian that agrees with the Radical Orthodoxy project.  The things that I found interesting in more &#8220;emergent&#8221; (and I use that term sparingly, since there are no major points to acutually identify on) views, I now understand that alot of what I vibed with was just classical, consensual christianity.  I am a student at Asbury Theological Seminary right now and I plan to stay SBC through my tenure here and in my ministry after seminary.</p>
<p>My main point of contention with this message was how the phrase &#8216;traditional&#8221; was simply speaking of something that was common 50 years ago.  No Baptist worth their sweet tea and choir robe would say that the Christian Church began in the mid-1840&#8242;s or reached it&#8217;s climax in the 1950&#8242;s.  If this is true, how can we cling to what has been a short lived viewpoint that is only held to be consensual by a small minority in the history of the Christian Church.  This is just one of my beliefs that will make me staying in the SBC hard, but it is not enough to make me want to leave the heritage that I grew up in.  Maybe this is just the difference between a Baptist raised in the coservative vs. the moderate Baptist Church.</p>
<p>But I do agree that Dr. Shaddix touched on many of the reason why people and even minsters my age have left the convention (I am 27).  These were good thoughts, but I am scared that it just segmented the views of the SBC facing the idea of postmodernity even more.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Kennedy</title>
		<link>http://timmybrister.com/2007/02/16/baptist-id-dr-jim-shaddix-on-the-future-of-the-traditional-church/#comment-2761</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joe Kennedy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 21:45:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for this, Timmy.  Got a lot of respect for that man and what he did at my church here in New Orleans.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this, Timmy.  Got a lot of respect for that man and what he did at my church here in New Orleans.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Lee</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris Lee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 07:56:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Honestly, I thought that this was one of the better sessions that I have attended (No offense to any of the other speakers, especially Dr. Dockery and Dr. Thornbury!). As a college student, I felt like Dr. Shaddix hit the nail right on the head as far as the frustrations of my generation with the SBC. His address seemed to also carry the most practical solutions to fix and/or limit the damage. I very much appreciated his comments on the expository preaching of the text every Sunday - there are a lot of cheap imitations. It was good to meet you today, man (right before Dr. Dockery&#039;s session)! I also enjoyed your comment/question after Dr. Thornbury&#039;s address - you spoke for a lot of people. Keep up the good work, brother!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honestly, I thought that this was one of the better sessions that I have attended (No offense to any of the other speakers, especially Dr. Dockery and Dr. Thornbury!). As a college student, I felt like Dr. Shaddix hit the nail right on the head as far as the frustrations of my generation with the SBC. His address seemed to also carry the most practical solutions to fix and/or limit the damage. I very much appreciated his comments on the expository preaching of the text every Sunday &#8211; there are a lot of cheap imitations. It was good to meet you today, man (right before Dr. Dockery&#8217;s session)! I also enjoyed your comment/question after Dr. Thornbury&#8217;s address &#8211; you spoke for a lot of people. Keep up the good work, brother!</p>
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		<title>By: Steve McCoy</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve McCoy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 05:25:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for detailing this one for me Timmy.  Got my sermon done instead!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for detailing this one for me Timmy.  Got my sermon done instead!</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Pruett</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stephen Pruett]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 04:55:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Interesting perspective, and I have some sympathy because my personal preference is traditional worship.  However, I am a member of a church where the 10:45 service (the only one I can attend and be in the choir) is mostly not traditional.  So why do I still go there?  Because people are coming to Christ in consistent numbers.  I don&#039;t care if we do Gregorian chants; if it&#039;s working let&#039;s go with it.  Of course, I agree that we should not change the message, but it may be necessary to change how we deliver it.  I am not sure how anyone could read all of Paul&#039;s writings and conclude that there is only one good way to do church. Didn&#039;t he say he became all things to all people to win some?  I take that to mean he thought reaching people was so important that he was willing to do anything that was not immoral to reach them.  Seems like a good plan to me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting perspective, and I have some sympathy because my personal preference is traditional worship.  However, I am a member of a church where the 10:45 service (the only one I can attend and be in the choir) is mostly not traditional.  So why do I still go there?  Because people are coming to Christ in consistent numbers.  I don&#8217;t care if we do Gregorian chants; if it&#8217;s working let&#8217;s go with it.  Of course, I agree that we should not change the message, but it may be necessary to change how we deliver it.  I am not sure how anyone could read all of Paul&#8217;s writings and conclude that there is only one good way to do church. Didn&#8217;t he say he became all things to all people to win some?  I take that to mean he thought reaching people was so important that he was willing to do anything that was not immoral to reach them.  Seems like a good plan to me.</p>
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