<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
	>
<channel>
	<title>Comment&#252;s on: The Altar Call: A Fundamentalist Sacrament</title>
	<atom:link href="http://timmybrister.com/2007/02/11/the-altar-call-a-fundamentalist-sacrament/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://timmybrister.com/2007/02/11/the-altar-call-a-fundamentalist-sacrament/</link>
	<description>Trusting God :: Treasuring Christ :: Triumphing the Gospel</description>
	<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 17:43:26 +0000</pubDate>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=MU</generator>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
		<item>
		<title>By: Timmy Brister</title>
		<link>http://timmybrister.com/2007/02/11/the-altar-call-a-fundamentalist-sacrament/#comment-34983</link>
		<dc:creator>Timmy Brister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 00:59:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://timmybrister.com/?p=954#comment-34983</guid>
		<description>Dr. Carpenter,

That's a hilarious story!  Why didn't you put that in your book?  :)

But seriously, thanks for your work and contribution to the fundamentalist movement.  As a required textbook for class, I enjoyed discussing your contribution to the topic of the class (which was Fundamentalism and Evangelicalism).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Carpenter,</p>
<p>That&#8217;s a hilarious story!  Why didn&#8217;t you put that in your book?  <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>But seriously, thanks for your work and contribution to the fundamentalist movement.  As a required textbook for class, I enjoyed discussing your contribution to the topic of the class (which was Fundamentalism and Evangelicalism).</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Joel Carpenter</title>
		<link>http://timmybrister.com/2007/02/11/the-altar-call-a-fundamentalist-sacrament/#comment-34980</link>
		<dc:creator>Joel Carpenter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 23:03:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://timmybrister.com/?p=954#comment-34980</guid>
		<description>I appreciate the honest conversation here about altar calls.  The Christian Reformed congregation where I am a member has communion, up front, every Sunday.  Once, a member asked the pastor why he did not do altar calls.  He replied, "But I do!  Every Sunday!"  He invites everyone to the Table who "is sorry for their sins and trust Jesus as their savior," to accept the Lord's gracious invitation to the holy supper.  I don't think that he would argue that communion is a converting ordinance, but it is indeed a way of publicly declaring, again, that you accept Christ's sacrifice on your behalf.  Want to walk forward again?  Re-enact that holy, sacramental moment?  Of course!  But as someone reared Baptist, it made my knees go weak when, one Sunday, I turned out into the aisle to go forward for communion, and the pianist started up "Just As I Am, Without One Plea."  I told that to a hymnologist friend, and she smiled.  "It started out as a communion hymn," she said....

Blessings,
Joel</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I appreciate the honest conversation here about altar calls.  The Christian Reformed congregation where I am a member has communion, up front, every Sunday.  Once, a member asked the pastor why he did not do altar calls.  He replied, &#8220;But I do!  Every Sunday!&#8221;  He invites everyone to the Table who &#8220;is sorry for their sins and trust Jesus as their savior,&#8221; to accept the Lord&#8217;s gracious invitation to the holy supper.  I don&#8217;t think that he would argue that communion is a converting ordinance, but it is indeed a way of publicly declaring, again, that you accept Christ&#8217;s sacrifice on your behalf.  Want to walk forward again?  Re-enact that holy, sacramental moment?  Of course!  But as someone reared Baptist, it made my knees go weak when, one Sunday, I turned out into the aisle to go forward for communion, and the pianist started up &#8220;Just As I Am, Without One Plea.&#8221;  I told that to a hymnologist friend, and she smiled.  &#8220;It started out as a communion hymn,&#8221; she said&#8230;.</p>
<p>Blessings,<br />
Joel</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: biblical-perspectives.org Blog &#187;</title>
		<link>http://timmybrister.com/2007/02/11/the-altar-call-a-fundamentalist-sacrament/#comment-12766</link>
		<dc:creator>biblical-perspectives.org Blog &#187;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 09:56:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://timmybrister.com/?p=954#comment-12766</guid>
		<description>[...] Says: February 12th, 2007 at 4:22 pm   So, we have this Interim Pasor, who will remain nameless, but I really really like him. Ilike [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Says: February 12th, 2007 at 4:22 pm   So, we have this Interim Pasor, who will remain nameless, but I really really like him. Ilike [...]</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: David McAfee</title>
		<link>http://timmybrister.com/2007/02/11/the-altar-call-a-fundamentalist-sacrament/#comment-2844</link>
		<dc:creator>David McAfee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Feb 2007 20:40:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://timmybrister.com/?p=954#comment-2844</guid>
		<description>As a former SBC pastor, I conducted altar calls at most of my preaching services.  I am currently attending a Bible Church that does not do altar calls.   When I first started attending the church, I found it refreshing that there was no pressure to succomb to emotional pleas or charismatic speaking skills of the pastor.  Now, I'm realizing that an altar call every now and then would not be such a bad thing.  When I think of II Cor 5:20, I am reminded that God does have emotions and that he does plead for sinners to repent and He is grieved when we don't.  If the Lord allows me to pastor again, I will conduct altar calls and when the Spirit moves, I will emotionally and enthusiastically "plea" for sinners to repent, but I will stay committed to expository preaching and let the Word of God do the rest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a former SBC pastor, I conducted altar calls at most of my preaching services.  I am currently attending a Bible Church that does not do altar calls.   When I first started attending the church, I found it refreshing that there was no pressure to succomb to emotional pleas or charismatic speaking skills of the pastor.  Now, I&#8217;m realizing that an altar call every now and then would not be such a bad thing.  When I think of II Cor 5:20, I am reminded that God does have emotions and that he does plead for sinners to repent and He is grieved when we don&#8217;t.  If the Lord allows me to pastor again, I will conduct altar calls and when the Spirit moves, I will emotionally and enthusiastically &#8220;plea&#8221; for sinners to repent, but I will stay committed to expository preaching and let the Word of God do the rest.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: michael mcminn</title>
		<link>http://timmybrister.com/2007/02/11/the-altar-call-a-fundamentalist-sacrament/#comment-2713</link>
		<dc:creator>michael mcminn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Feb 2007 00:37:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://timmybrister.com/?p=954#comment-2713</guid>
		<description>Timmy,

Rightly stated that "contemporary fundamentalists are so antagonistic about their brethren who either do not stress the importance of altar calls or have done away with it altogether."  I served on staff at a church plant in Colorado for three years where we say healthy church growth through the addition of truly regenerate people as result of Christ centered gospel preaching and evangelism.  We saw God add to our numbers weekly but yet we came under attack by the other baptist churches in our community simply because we did not have an altar call.  No one was willing to look at their own plateaued and declining congregatioins and ask tough questions like "why are we seeing none saved?" or even "why is noone new setting foot on our property?"  We were an easy target for jealousy (which is simply ridiculous for those in the Kingdom to engage in) and eventually even slander simply because we did not have an altar call.  

The altar call and all that comes with it have created an unhealthy and uneducated religious culture in the south that has seperated regeneration from church membership and in my opinion led to a works based religion. I currently and back in the south (North Texas) in what I would consider the heart of the bible belt yet many in church have no understanding of the gospel, true salvation, regeneration and transformation, justification or sanctification.  In my years of student ministry in the Bible Belt 92-02 and o4 to present I come across student quite regularly that have been "saved" and/or baptized multiple times. Most commonly two and three times, but sometimes upwards of 4, 5, 6, or more times.  Salvation has been minimized to simply a physical act of walking down an aisle, repeating the "sinners prayer," filling out a card/checking a box, or commiting to and being baptized.

I appreciate this article and bringing to light a problem that exists not only as a practice or methodology but ultimately as a theological problem that betrays a fundamentaly (no pun intended) flawed view of soteriology.

Michael</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Timmy,</p>
<p>Rightly stated that &#8220;contemporary fundamentalists are so antagonistic about their brethren who either do not stress the importance of altar calls or have done away with it altogether.&#8221;  I served on staff at a church plant in Colorado for three years where we say healthy church growth through the addition of truly regenerate people as result of Christ centered gospel preaching and evangelism.  We saw God add to our numbers weekly but yet we came under attack by the other baptist churches in our community simply because we did not have an altar call.  No one was willing to look at their own plateaued and declining congregatioins and ask tough questions like &#8220;why are we seeing none saved?&#8221; or even &#8220;why is noone new setting foot on our property?&#8221;  We were an easy target for jealousy (which is simply ridiculous for those in the Kingdom to engage in) and eventually even slander simply because we did not have an altar call.  </p>
<p>The altar call and all that comes with it have created an unhealthy and uneducated religious culture in the south that has seperated regeneration from church membership and in my opinion led to a works based religion. I currently and back in the south (North Texas) in what I would consider the heart of the bible belt yet many in church have no understanding of the gospel, true salvation, regeneration and transformation, justification or sanctification.  In my years of student ministry in the Bible Belt 92-02 and o4 to present I come across student quite regularly that have been &#8220;saved&#8221; and/or baptized multiple times. Most commonly two and three times, but sometimes upwards of 4, 5, 6, or more times.  Salvation has been minimized to simply a physical act of walking down an aisle, repeating the &#8220;sinners prayer,&#8221; filling out a card/checking a box, or commiting to and being baptized.</p>
<p>I appreciate this article and bringing to light a problem that exists not only as a practice or methodology but ultimately as a theological problem that betrays a fundamentaly (no pun intended) flawed view of soteriology.</p>
<p>Michael</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: johnMark</title>
		<link>http://timmybrister.com/2007/02/11/the-altar-call-a-fundamentalist-sacrament/#comment-2701</link>
		<dc:creator>johnMark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Feb 2007 00:19:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://timmybrister.com/?p=954#comment-2701</guid>
		<description>Timmy,

Thanks for this post.  I recently made one similar.  I wish I could understand more why pastors feel the need.  My wife thinks that when visiting preachers go to churches that they do it so they or atleast the event will be remembered.  That's her observation.

If you like, my post is here: http://hereiblog.wordpress.com/2007/02/05/the-altar-question-southern-baptists-and-others/

Thanks,
Mark</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Timmy,</p>
<p>Thanks for this post.  I recently made one similar.  I wish I could understand more why pastors feel the need.  My wife thinks that when visiting preachers go to churches that they do it so they or atleast the event will be remembered.  That&#8217;s her observation.</p>
<p>If you like, my post is here: <a href="http://hereiblog.wordpress.com/2007/02/05/the-altar-question-southern-baptists-and-others/" rel="nofollow">http://hereiblog.wordpress.com/2007/02/05/the-altar-question-southern-baptists-and-others/</a></p>
<p>Thanks,<br />
Mark</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Adam Winters</title>
		<link>http://timmybrister.com/2007/02/11/the-altar-call-a-fundamentalist-sacrament/#comment-2693</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Winters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Feb 2007 04:45:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://timmybrister.com/?p=954#comment-2693</guid>
		<description>That was a great piece of writing on Carpenter's part.

I agree that the altar call has been elevated to a near cultural sacrament.  Far too many place in assurance of salvation in the fact they have "come forward" to "pray the prayer." Assurance is about so much more than a one time event; for one thing, it is about how our life has changed because of what Christ has done and continues to do in our hearts.

I fear, however, that many well meaning preachers of superior biblical/theological/historical education might be tempted to abandon the invitation system (for lack of a better term) cold turkey.  For many American evangelicals, the abandonment of the altar call is equivalent that one is not interested in evangelism.  I don't believe fighting for or against the traditional altar call is a hill on which ministers should choose to die.  I do, however, agree most heartily with your desire to "promote a doctrine-centered evangelism which expresses the heart of Christ with the truths of His Word."  Let's get our people to understand that the Spirit works in more ways and at more times than just the post-sermon invitation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was a great piece of writing on Carpenter&#8217;s part.</p>
<p>I agree that the altar call has been elevated to a near cultural sacrament.  Far too many place in assurance of salvation in the fact they have &#8220;come forward&#8221; to &#8220;pray the prayer.&#8221; Assurance is about so much more than a one time event; for one thing, it is about how our life has changed because of what Christ has done and continues to do in our hearts.</p>
<p>I fear, however, that many well meaning preachers of superior biblical/theological/historical education might be tempted to abandon the invitation system (for lack of a better term) cold turkey.  For many American evangelicals, the abandonment of the altar call is equivalent that one is not interested in evangelism.  I don&#8217;t believe fighting for or against the traditional altar call is a hill on which ministers should choose to die.  I do, however, agree most heartily with your desire to &#8220;promote a doctrine-centered evangelism which expresses the heart of Christ with the truths of His Word.&#8221;  Let&#8217;s get our people to understand that the Spirit works in more ways and at more times than just the post-sermon invitation.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://timmybrister.com/2007/02/11/the-altar-call-a-fundamentalist-sacrament/#comment-2688</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Feb 2007 01:23:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://timmybrister.com/?p=954#comment-2688</guid>
		<description>Tim,
A topic of the moment...this recently came up at my church when one Sunday the pastor did not offer an altar call which upset the seasoned citizens.   I addressed it similarly to your blog comments while teaching my S.S. class.    I found the article at the link below to be a good resource for historical perspective and thought you might enjoy it as well.   

http://www.biblicalstudies.com/bstudy/ecclesiology/altar.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim,<br />
A topic of the moment&#8230;this recently came up at my church when one Sunday the pastor did not offer an altar call which upset the seasoned citizens.   I addressed it similarly to your blog comments while teaching my S.S. class.    I found the article at the link below to be a good resource for historical perspective and thought you might enjoy it as well.   </p>
<p><a href="http://www.biblicalstudies.com/bstudy/ecclesiology/altar.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.biblicalstudies.com/bstudy/ecclesiology/altar.htm</a></p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://timmybrister.com/2007/02/11/the-altar-call-a-fundamentalist-sacrament/#comment-2687</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2007 23:40:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://timmybrister.com/?p=954#comment-2687</guid>
		<description>Renee,
A possibility.  He may not have bad motives or be unintelligent.  He may be evangelistic and feel that every time he preaches he should invite and urge sinners to come to Christ.  He also may realize that many people are saved when the gospel is preached and people are called to repent and believe.  I'm not saying there are no problems with the invitation system in many churches.  Just that I don't necessarily think it is bad for a man to invite people to receive Christ and publicly profess it each time he preaches the gospel. 

By the way.  I was saved on a night I had gone down an aisle at an invitation.  That was seven years after I had "gotten saved" at my house, with no pressure.  It does happen.  A big thing is to do the invitation clearly, and take people out for good counseling, not do a rush job during the 4th stanza of a song at the front of the church.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Renee,<br />
A possibility.  He may not have bad motives or be unintelligent.  He may be evangelistic and feel that every time he preaches he should invite and urge sinners to come to Christ.  He also may realize that many people are saved when the gospel is preached and people are called to repent and believe.  I&#8217;m not saying there are no problems with the invitation system in many churches.  Just that I don&#8217;t necessarily think it is bad for a man to invite people to receive Christ and publicly profess it each time he preaches the gospel. </p>
<p>By the way.  I was saved on a night I had gone down an aisle at an invitation.  That was seven years after I had &#8220;gotten saved&#8221; at my house, with no pressure.  It does happen.  A big thing is to do the invitation clearly, and take people out for good counseling, not do a rush job during the 4th stanza of a song at the front of the church.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Renee</title>
		<link>http://timmybrister.com/2007/02/11/the-altar-call-a-fundamentalist-sacrament/#comment-2682</link>
		<dc:creator>Renee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2007 21:22:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://timmybrister.com/?p=954#comment-2682</guid>
		<description>So, we have this Interim Pasor, who will remain nameless, but I really really like him.  Ilike that he is preaching the gospel by preaching God's word with expositional teaching.  He is so refreshing after the last pastor and his "feel good" preaching.  While we wait for God's man to fill the pulpit, this Interim is truly a blessing.  But there is one thing that bothers me.  The altar call at every single service, including Sunday evening and Wednesday evening.  Yesterday he tells this story about a guy he knew who pretended to be a christian to please his wife,,,,went to church every Sunday, was a nice guy,,,nice enough that the church asked him to be a deacon and he got ordained, but he whole time the guy knew he was living a lie.  The altar call had obviously not worked for this person, but our lovable Interim Pastor proceeds to give an invitation to give people the chance to make sure that they knew about their eternal salvation, the chance to "nail it down" as you put it.  Prays the sinners prayer at the end of every single service.  It's like he doesn't know how to wrap up a message with out that ritual.  The Interim Pastor is extremely (and I mean EXTREMELY) intelligent, so I don't want to question his ability to understand that most people just don't really get saved by walking the aisle on Sunday morning.  So I'm left questioning his motives.  What is up with that?  :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, we have this Interim Pasor, who will remain nameless, but I really really like him.  Ilike that he is preaching the gospel by preaching God&#8217;s word with expositional teaching.  He is so refreshing after the last pastor and his &#8220;feel good&#8221; preaching.  While we wait for God&#8217;s man to fill the pulpit, this Interim is truly a blessing.  But there is one thing that bothers me.  The altar call at every single service, including Sunday evening and Wednesday evening.  Yesterday he tells this story about a guy he knew who pretended to be a christian to please his wife,,,,went to church every Sunday, was a nice guy,,,nice enough that the church asked him to be a deacon and he got ordained, but he whole time the guy knew he was living a lie.  The altar call had obviously not worked for this person, but our lovable Interim Pastor proceeds to give an invitation to give people the chance to make sure that they knew about their eternal salvation, the chance to &#8220;nail it down&#8221; as you put it.  Prays the sinners prayer at the end of every single service.  It&#8217;s like he doesn&#8217;t know how to wrap up a message with out that ritual.  The Interim Pastor is extremely (and I mean EXTREMELY) intelligent, so I don&#8217;t want to question his ability to understand that most people just don&#8217;t really get saved by walking the aisle on Sunday morning.  So I&#8217;m left questioning his motives.  What is up with that?  <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>
